High End Luxury Cars

24699 messages, Last post on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#19057 of 24699 Re: 2009 BMW 5 Series [blkhemi] by tagman Sep 20, 2006 (8:33 am)
Replying to: blkhemi (Sep 20, 2006 1:33 am) Yep, especially when just about every SUV in it's class at that price range as the real stuff, including the domestic top dog, SRX. The SRX does not sell well here at all. Have you checked the nat'l sales figures recently? TagMan Replies to this message: blkhemi (Sep 20, 2006 11:49 am)
#19058 of 24699 Re: Global Domination in Sales but not in Quality! [dewey] by killerbunny Sep 20, 2006 (9:24 am)
Replying to: dewey (Sep 20, 2006 6:19 am) Toyota recalled more autos than they sold? OUCH!! Well, data is just data, meaningless without proper context. Toyota sells as much as Ford in the US (exceeds Ford globally in 2003). Toyota's recalls is only a fraction of that of Ford. Replies to this message: dewey (Sep 20, 2006 9:31 am) killerbunny (Sep 20, 2006 9:46 am) dewey (Sep 20, 2006 9:49 am) and 3 more...
#19059 of 24699 Re: It All Seems To Fit! [hpowders] by dewey Sep 20, 2006 (9:28 am)
Replying to: hpowders (Sep 20, 2006 8:02 am) Yes. Even BMW has decided to go with the Hyundai Sonata rear for its next generation 5 Series and they could have "borrowed" from anyone. Maybe the photo illustrator of those 09 5 series pictures was Korean?
#19060 of 24699 Re: Global Domination in Sales but not in Quality! [killerbunny] by dewey Sep 20, 2006 (9:31 am)
Replying to: killerbunny (Sep 20, 2006 9:24 am) Ford recalls were over 2 million this past year? Really? But you are going a step further and saying Toyota recalls are a fraction of Ford recalls. If that is so then Ford recalls must be 4 million or above. I dont think so? And even if that is the case Toyota has far stronger recall momentum than sales momenutum. Quality and Toyota are synonyms. If this recall momentum continues then Quality and Toyota will become antonyms. Replies to this message: killerbunny (Sep 20, 2006 9:46 am) dewey (Sep 20, 2006 9:49 am) killerbunny (Sep 20, 2006 10:02 am) lexusguy (Sep 20, 2006 2:15 pm) and 1 more...
#19061 of 24699 Re: Toyota will make it to the big 3 [blkhemi] by killerbunny Sep 20, 2006 (9:41 am)
Replying to: blkhemi (Sep 19, 2006 1:19 pm) Regarding: Yes Toyota has introduced the Corolla in China, but to little interest. All of the General's subs. are the kings there. particular China market only Buicks, which outpace their next in class comp. 4-1. Funny, until the Lucerne got here, it was vice versa in the home market. GM sales far exceeds Toyota in China because they started doing business at least 5 years earlier. As I mentioned, Camry was introduced to China just under 1 year. The sales number are not amazing because the plant just started and not to full capacity. I personally know people from China that Camry is now selling 10% more than MSRP there.
#19062 of 24699 Re: Global Domination in Sales but not in Quality! [dewey] by killerbunny Sep 20, 2006 (9:46 am)
Replying to: dewey (Sep 20, 2006 9:31 am) But you are going a step further and saying Toyota recalls are a fraction of Ford recalls. If that is so then Ford recalls must be 4 million or above. I dont think so? The source I viewed stated that Ford recalled about 10 million. If you are not too short-memoried you should remember the 1 million recall at a single time (for truck) just a couple months back. Remember, recall is not just for the new cars. It dates back as far as 10 years. Although Toyota's quality slipped recently, the earlier Toyotas (i.e. 1995-2004) are still far more reliable than Fords of the same year. Thus causing the total Ford recall far exceeds Toyota recalls. Replies to this message: dewey (Sep 20, 2006 9:49 am) killerbunny (Sep 20, 2006 10:02 am) lexusguy (Sep 20, 2006 2:15 pm) dewey (Sep 21, 2006 2:40 am)
#19063 of 24699 Re: Global Domination in Sales but not in Quality! [killerbunny] by dewey Sep 20, 2006 (9:49 am)
Replying to: killerbunny (Sep 20, 2006 9:46 am) Where on earth are you getting those figures? Do these figures include the Ford Pinto, Torino and Mercury Capri? Replies to this message: killerbunny (Sep 20, 2006 10:02 am) lexusguy (Sep 20, 2006 2:15 pm) dewey (Sep 21, 2006 2:40 am)
#19064 of 24699 Re: Global Domination in Sales but not in Quality! [dewey] by killerbunny Sep 20, 2006 (10:02 am)
Replying to: dewey (Sep 20, 2006 9:49 am) I just viewed somewhere on the Internet. If you want to confirm. Why not google a bit. As for the one-batch 1 million truck recall, that's from CNN. I suppose that number include everything made by Ford, if they cared to recall a Pinto as of now.
#19065 of 24699 Recall VS. Reliability by tagman Sep 20, 2006 (10:32 am)
A recall, while sometimes major, is often voluntary and preventative on the part of the manufacturer to make sure that a discovered potential problem or defect is fixed BEFORE it poses a danger or becomes significantly worse. When a vehicle problem is already known, but the manufacturer waits until a statistically significant number of people are killed before deciding to (or being forced to) recall vehicles . . . well this is dead wrong (excuse the pun) and borders criminal, IMO. However, early discovery and recall of a potential problem deserves positive recognition and praise, IMO. Regardless, and independent of recalls, the reliability of Toyota is still unsurpassed, certainly well above Ford and many others. Toyota proves that even with recalls, if handled correctly, a manufacturer can still build reliable vehicles. TagMan
#19066 of 24699 Re: 2009 BMW 5 Series [tagman] by blkhemi Sep 20, 2006 (11:49 am)
Replying to: tagman (Sep 20, 2006 8:33 am) Tag, I didn't mean "top dog" in terms of sales. None of the domestics are overacheivers. But in terms of all out luxury, the SRX is what Caddy should've been all this time. You won't mistake it for an RX or Range Rover, but it is better in some respects than many of it's competitors. I still can't believe that it makes C&D's Top 5 trucks all the time.