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24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: hpowders (Sep 19, 2006 6:09 pm) And if they refuse to do that, at the very least they should move to make it an option across the entire line. Well, according to the article, the iDrive is supposed to be more user friendly. So, it would appear that the iDrive will be tamed right along with the styling. Oh, by the way, has anyone mentioned that the new styling looks sort of, well . . . elegant?  Uh oh, let's see now, do I need to use that edit button again? Ah yes, there we go . . . that's 3 edits already! TagMan |
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Replying to: drfill (Sep 19, 2006 10:27 am) Yes as Lexus styling becomes more agressive , the styling of BMWs is becoming somehat homely (or elegant as Tagman would say) Personally I can live with homely styling as long as this homeliness does not spread to BMW performance/handling specs. And yes I will confess that I like the new styling of the new LS a real lot.
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Replying to: dewey (Sep 19, 2006 6:51 pm) It never has been a major priority with me, but after viewing those high resolution photos of the new MDX interior and then sitting in my 545, there is much room for improvement in the latter. As far as driveability is concerned, not to worry. BMW's will always be among the best.
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Replying to: dewey (Sep 19, 2006 6:37 pm) |
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Replying to: hpowders (Sep 19, 2006 7:35 pm) At least the wood in the BMW is real. I didn't realize that the new MDX, loaded with options (you can now do that with Acuras) hits $48K. There's absolutely no excuse for plastic at that level.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Sep 19, 2006 11:22 pm) Yep, especially when just about every SUV in it's class at that price range as the real stuff, including the domestic top dog, SRX.
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So Ford Motors recently acquired the Rover brand name. You would think acquisitons would not be a priority today at Ford. Shouldn't Ford be focusing on pruning its brands than buying new brands (as if buying brands in the past did not do enough damage to Ford) Will Mazda use the name Rover for new luxury autos? Will Rover soon compete with Lexus, Acura ,Infiniti and various German marques? This may make a lot of sense if Ford did not own a large portion of Mazda. But unfortunately Ford does have a major ownership interest in Mazda. Ford already needs to use various Mazda platforms for its existing luxury marques. Using Mazda platforms to a new Rover division will simpily spread the Mazda platform far too thin among too many non-luxury/luxury vehicles. This will be like the repeat of the bad old days when platform sharing was overdone among Mercurys, Fords and Lincolns. IMO a Rover division of Mazda would be a new disaster for Ford. A disaster Ford cannot afford. link title |
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Here is a blurb from the Wall Street Journal: Despite Toyota's expansion and rising earnings, the car maker has recently made a series of embarrassing recalls, which have tarnished its reputation for quality. Last year, it recalled 2.38 million vehicles in the all-important U.S. market, more than the 2.26 million it sold. Toyota recalled more autos than they sold? OUCH!! To help prevent such problems, Toyota said it expected to hire 8,000 engineers over the next four years. President Katsuaki Watanabe said that Toyota would spend more time in the development process of each product, conducting more up-front quality checks and delaying product launches if necessary. I can recall in the 1980s Ford made the same promises and used the slogan "Quality is Job Number One". In fact every single auto maker with quality problems have made the same kind of promises that Toyota is making now and despite their promises these troubled automakers have continued to incur major recalls. Will Toyota be different from other auto makers? If Toyota contines to try to build as many autos as they can in the shortest time possible then the answer is no. It is very hard to focus on quality when your top priority is to build things as fast as possible (that applies equally to auto manufacturing and every other human endeavor)
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These words posted above are right in line with my prediction that Hyundai will overtake Toyota by January 2009 in the USA. The timing may be off a bit but the phenomenon is inevitable. Yes. Even BMW has decided to go with the Hyundai Sonata rear for its next generation 5 Series and they could have "borrowed" from anyone.
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