High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#19016 of 24700 Re: Toyota recalls [tagman] by blkhemi Sep 19, 2006 (1:58 am)
Replying to: tagman (Sep 18, 2006 5:47 pm) Tag, I'm well aware of this company's recent surge in recalls. This is the sort of thing that happens when we try to outpace ourselves without double checking all of the screws and bolts, so to speak. 1.75m vehicles worldwide to be recalled is a lot for any manufacture. Toyota has to remember to put it's quality first or people will walk away. Fast. In this day and age, people are not as willing to take second bat with every company either matching or exceeding another company's quality until another company 1-up's it. Hyundai, does it ring a bell anyone?
#19017 of 24700 2009 BMW 5 Series by dewey Sep 19, 2006 (6:22 am)
The British mag Car has some of the rumored details and pictures(certainly not official) of the upcoming 5 series. Based on the pictures below it appears BMW's future will lack Bangle's influence and be substituted with blandest of bland styling. This picture looks alot like the current e90 3 series: And the rear-end of this 5 series looks a lot like a Hyundai Sonata: The most interesting specs are the following: BMW hasn't forgotten about environmental initiatives, though. The diesel engines should get urea injection – as Mercedes is pioneering – to cut nitrogen oxide emissions. A stop/start system and upshift indicator for six-speed manual versions will help reduce fuel consumption, and the engines should be biofuel- and synfuel-compatible. Brake energy-regeneration, in combination with adaptive alternator control, should also save up to 10 percent more fuel too. Link below for more 2009 5 series specs: 2009 5 Series Replies to this message: hpowders (Sep 19, 2006 6:42 am) tagman (Sep 19, 2006 8:09 am) tagman (Sep 19, 2006 7:06 am) blkhemi (Sep 19, 2006 8:33 am) designman (Sep 19, 2006 8:56 am)
#19018 of 24700 Re: 2009 BMW 5 Series [dewey] by hpowders Sep 19, 2006 (6:42 am)
Replying to: dewey (Sep 19, 2006 6:22 am) When I view the rear, a word that come to mind is Hyundai Replies to this message: tagman (Sep 19, 2006 8:09 am)
#19019 of 24700 Re: 2009 BMW 5 Series [dewey] by tagman Sep 19, 2006 (7:06 am)
Replying to: dewey (Sep 19, 2006 6:22 am) I think the new 5 will have a more significant presence and stance than the pic infers. I find it easy on the eye, and in fact the front end looks clean and balanced to me with the air intake having a great appearane. The rear treatment, particularly due to the lights, is in line with current styling trends more typical to Japanese vehicles in general, not just Hyundai, but they look well-executed to me, and I find them pleasing enough, and a nice departure from the odd-shaped previous ones. All-in-all, this is an attractive new 5 series that should sell very well, and lend itself nicely to a good-looking M, IMO. TagMan
#19020 of 24700 Re: 2009 BMW 5 Series [hpowders] by tagman Sep 19, 2006 (8:09 am)
Replying to: hpowders (Sep 19, 2006 6:42 am) When I view the rear, a word that come to mind is Hyundai Given the car's good looks, I'd say that is a large compliment to Hyundai. TagMan
#19021 of 24700 Re: 2009 BMW 5 Series [dewey] by blkhemi Sep 19, 2006 (8:33 am)
Replying to: dewey (Sep 19, 2006 6:22 am) The lines of this car are nothing short of elegant. The Bangle-styling of the current is still there, but only just by a hint. I particularly love the front end. But the rear-end is like a few cars I can name, it doesn't match/complement the front. I don't think BMW will leave that flat crease along the rear end. But then again.........
#19022 of 24700 Elegance? by dewey Sep 19, 2006 (8:45 am)
Hp, Tagman and Hemi, ironically as other car makers are influenced by Bangle design (MB and Lexus), BMW is fleeing from its Bangle roots. I hear the word elegance for the new 5 series. I guess elegance and conservatism in this case can be used interchangeabeably. But then again these BMW pictures today are just as shocking as the rumors about a military coupe in Thailand. Maybe there is a coupe in Bavaria and Chris Bangle is in handcuffs under house arrest Replies to this message: tagman (Sep 19, 2006 9:08 am) dewey (Sep 19, 2006 12:57 pm) designman (Sep 19, 2006 1:17 pm) and 1 more... hpowders (Sep 19, 2006 1:52 pm) and 2 more... pat (Sep 19, 2006 3:38 pm) hpowders (Sep 19, 2006 5:11 pm) tagman (Sep 19, 2006 5:58 pm) and 1 more... blkhemi (Sep 19, 2006 9:38 am) tagman (Sep 19, 2006 9:56 am)
#19023 of 24700 Re: 2009 BMW 5 Series [dewey] by designman Sep 19, 2006 (8:56 am)
Replying to: dewey (Sep 19, 2006 6:22 am) It sucks. That car will not be on my shopping list if that's the way it will look, ultimate driving machine be damned. Designmen don't want to be caught dead in something like that. After putting out the E92 3-series coupe and X5 they stumble back to that nonsense? How gauche. I am confident that will not be it... in my humble but passionate opinion, of course.
#19024 of 24700 Re: Elegance? [dewey] by tagman Sep 19, 2006 (9:08 am)
Replying to: dewey (Sep 19, 2006 8:45 am) This is interesting that even we, on this forum, who regularly scrutinize cars, do not agree on this rumored vehicle. Immediately after Dewey posted the pics, HP criticized it (although edited his response), but I stood up for the design, as did blkhemi. Now D-man gives it a thumbs down, totally opposite of blkhemi and me. This just proves one thing . . . blkhemi and I have a better eye (lol). But seriously, it sounds as though you are suggesting that this may not even be the real deal anyway. TagMan Replies to this message: dewey (Sep 19, 2006 12:57 pm) designman (Sep 19, 2006 1:17 pm) dewey (Sep 19, 2006 6:32 pm) hpowders (Sep 19, 2006 1:52 pm) dewey (Sep 19, 2006 6:37 pm) and 1 more... pat (Sep 19, 2006 3:38 pm) hpowders (Sep 19, 2006 5:11 pm) tagman (Sep 19, 2006 5:58 pm) hpowders (Sep 19, 2006 6:10 pm)
#19025 of 24700 Re: Elegance? [dewey] by blkhemi Sep 19, 2006 (9:38 am)
Replying to: dewey (Sep 19, 2006 8:45 am) As noted, this is just a rumored designed, not the real deal Holyfield. It is highly doubtful that they'll leave the car this way. Case and Point: When the spy shots came out on the new X5, I thought to myself, what the heck are they doing? They already have the 530xi Wagon, as that what it was looking like. Then the official picks from Bavaria came out, and all was well. And just yesterday, Merc posted a pic of the new interior. Ultra posh. So let's not get up in arms over something that may or may not be for real. As I stated, I highly doubt BMW will leave that rear-end that droopy with a Japanese styling treatment. Only the Jetta can get away with a vacation at Toyota's styling salon. And you see it's lost it's cult following... Replies to this message: tagman (Sep 19, 2006 9:56 am)