High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#19012 of 24700 Re: Toyota recalls [tagman] by lexusguy Sep 18, 2006 (6:12 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Sep 18, 2006 5:47 pm) But, interestingly, nobody thinks about it. They only remember the Ford Explorer's tires, which Ford didn't even manufacture! Its not as if Ford had no clue that tire problems could happen. They didn't want to pay for safe tires. As for Toyota, read the Edmunds article, Perception is reality. People are willing to give Toyota the benefit of the doubt that they are serious about fixing the recent quality issues, because of their sterling Toyota = quality reputation. The domestics made junk for 20 years, so its a bit harder for them to say "you gotta listen to us, I know we've said this every year for the last 20 years, but the cars really are good now.
#19013 of 24700 Re: 2007 Acura MDX interior shots [dewey] by merc1 Sep 18, 2006 (8:18 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Sep 18, 2006 11:14 am) Was that article written before or after they tested the BMW335i? Before, of course. M
#19014 of 24700 Re: Toyota to ramp up, big time [killerbunny] by blkhemi Sep 19, 2006 (1:44 am)
Replying to: killerbunny (Sep 18, 2006 12:25 pm) All of this info can be found in today's WSJ. Toyota has not surpassed GM as of yet. There is some major work left to do before that happens. But they are on track to pass Ford this year.
#19015 of 24700 Re: Toyota to ramp up, big time [lexusguy] by blkhemi Sep 19, 2006 (1:53 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Sep 18, 2006 4:43 pm) So intially Ford was to follow the plan of GM and shutter or downsize several plants and layoff 30k workers. Now they're to double that under Mulally?? What is going to be left of this company? And you're right. The products are very far and few between. They just don't produce cars people want to buy. No one says I want that underpowered and overwhelmed Five Hundred when they can have that spiffy new Camry, Accord, or even Impala. The same for the for the Zephyr(MKS). For 33k, there are at least 20 cars to be had at that price that is a more attractive deal. Even with the massive 8k off, I'd still be hard pressed to take it over an Accord, Camry, or even a Sonata, even with the MKS' supposed better interior. The Explorer, the SUV that ruled the world, has fallen off so far that the company is now said to make an off-road model due to the Ford Edge being the more desired model. With all of this money spent in '06 to make the Explorer explore better, then why not create the Edge as the new Explorer in the first place?? And even the F-150 line is a major letdown. They're going to let SRT walk all over them in a category that SVT made hot with the Lightnin. The new Harley-Davidson Ford should've never seen the light of day.
#19016 of 24700 Re: Toyota recalls [tagman] by blkhemi Sep 19, 2006 (1:58 am)
Replying to: tagman (Sep 18, 2006 5:47 pm) Tag, I'm well aware of this company's recent surge in recalls. This is the sort of thing that happens when we try to outpace ourselves without double checking all of the screws and bolts, so to speak. 1.75m vehicles worldwide to be recalled is a lot for any manufacture. Toyota has to remember to put it's quality first or people will walk away. Fast. In this day and age, people are not as willing to take second bat with every company either matching or exceeding another company's quality until another company 1-up's it. Hyundai, does it ring a bell anyone?
#19017 of 24700 2009 BMW 5 Series by dewey Sep 19, 2006 (6:22 am)
The British mag Car has some of the rumored details and pictures(certainly not official) of the upcoming 5 series. Based on the pictures below it appears BMW's future will lack Bangle's influence and be substituted with blandest of bland styling. This picture looks alot like the current e90 3 series: And the rear-end of this 5 series looks a lot like a Hyundai Sonata: The most interesting specs are the following: BMW hasn't forgotten about environmental initiatives, though. The diesel engines should get urea injection – as Mercedes is pioneering – to cut nitrogen oxide emissions. A stop/start system and upshift indicator for six-speed manual versions will help reduce fuel consumption, and the engines should be biofuel- and synfuel-compatible. Brake energy-regeneration, in combination with adaptive alternator control, should also save up to 10 percent more fuel too. Link below for more 2009 5 series specs: 2009 5 Series Replies to this message: hpowders (Sep 19, 2006 6:42 am) tagman (Sep 19, 2006 8:09 am) tagman (Sep 19, 2006 7:06 am) blkhemi (Sep 19, 2006 8:33 am) designman (Sep 19, 2006 8:56 am)
#19018 of 24700 Re: 2009 BMW 5 Series [dewey] by hpowders Sep 19, 2006 (6:42 am)
Replying to: dewey (Sep 19, 2006 6:22 am) When I view the rear, a word that come to mind is Hyundai Replies to this message: tagman (Sep 19, 2006 8:09 am)
#19019 of 24700 Re: 2009 BMW 5 Series [dewey] by tagman Sep 19, 2006 (7:06 am)
Replying to: dewey (Sep 19, 2006 6:22 am) I think the new 5 will have a more significant presence and stance than the pic infers. I find it easy on the eye, and in fact the front end looks clean and balanced to me with the air intake having a great appearane. The rear treatment, particularly due to the lights, is in line with current styling trends more typical to Japanese vehicles in general, not just Hyundai, but they look well-executed to me, and I find them pleasing enough, and a nice departure from the odd-shaped previous ones. All-in-all, this is an attractive new 5 series that should sell very well, and lend itself nicely to a good-looking M, IMO. TagMan
#19020 of 24700 Re: 2009 BMW 5 Series [hpowders] by tagman Sep 19, 2006 (8:09 am)
Replying to: hpowders (Sep 19, 2006 6:42 am) When I view the rear, a word that come to mind is Hyundai Given the car's good looks, I'd say that is a large compliment to Hyundai. TagMan
#19021 of 24700 Re: 2009 BMW 5 Series [dewey] by blkhemi Sep 19, 2006 (8:33 am)
Replying to: dewey (Sep 19, 2006 6:22 am) The lines of this car are nothing short of elegant. The Bangle-styling of the current is still there, but only just by a hint. I particularly love the front end. But the rear-end is like a few cars I can name, it doesn't match/complement the front. I don't think BMW will leave that flat crease along the rear end. But then again.........