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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#18901 of 24726 Re: I wonder... [blkhemi]
Sep 14, 2006 (2:34 am)
I doubt if we'll see any 6-cylinder or even smaller V8 model from BMW, Mercedes, or Jaguar here anymore in their top sedan models. BMW sells both a 730i and 740i Europe, I6 and 4.0L V8 models respectively. If I'm not mistaken the 740i has 306hp, and the 730i has 230hp? Not really sure about the 730i. Audi and Jaguar also have smaller engined versions of their flagship cars over there too. I don't think we'll see another S350 until the end of the W221's run in order prop up sales like they did with the W220 for the 2006 model year. I think BMW could sell a 740i here though with ease if priced right. Lexus fans will love this, but the base LS model with a V8 would make cars like the 730/740, S350 and various smaller engined A8s and XJs a touch sell here now. You have to want those cars as opposed to being a value shopper when it comes to hp.
#18902 of 24726 Re: FAW Hongqi (Red Flag) HQ3 [ivan_99]
Sep 14, 2006 (2:39 am)
I suppose the next logical step is for the car to self-order itself as a newer model when the current lease expires...
Oh I can defintely see the day when the car will remind you when the lease is up and even play a clip of the car you should replace it with via the nav screen. If BMW's can call the dealer's service department on their own and link you to an adviser then this is the next logical step.
Sep 14, 2006 (7:34 am)
I could be wrong but I believe the Q7 is on it's own platform. It shares less than 16% of it's parts with the porsche, and VW.
Edmunds latest article on the RDX says that it shares hardly anything with the CRV as it's drive trains are completely different.
It's great that Lexus shares very little of their platforms, who cares they all look alike. Every time I see a new ES, or the back of an Avalon, I think I've spotted a new LS test mule.
#18904 of 24726 Re: What is a MDX? An RDX? A TL? [dewey]
Sep 14, 2006 (7:35 am)
The MDX is nothing more than a Pilot with a tuxedo and somewhat sportier sneakers.
Like the Lexus SUV's compared to their Toyota counterparts.
In the case of the MDX, it is quieter, better handling, allows for the simultaneous combination of one the best nav systems AND multi-media video entertainment, which is not available on the Pilot, more luxurious and more features (auto lights, trip computer, etc.).
It is my understanding that the brand new '07 MDX, which handles so remarkably that it was reported that it's as though God himself has His hand guiding the vehicle, will have no Honda counterpart for now.
The '07 Acura MDX reviews so far are darn near as good as any SUV reviews could get, IMO.
#18905 of 24726 Re: Question [merc1]
Sep 14, 2006 (7:44 am)
I'm confused on that one Tag.
Yes, the S450 will represent the value leader for the S-Class, but how will that value stack up agains the LS460 is the concern.
Just consider a prime reason for choosing the LS460 over the S550. You've said it yourself . . . it's largely the price. Not the only reason, but a large one.
Now enter the S450, with a lower price, and voila, we have a "value" S-Class model that is closer to the LS460 price. LS buyers have historically been more than willing to give up serious horsepower and handling, as you and I and others have argued for a long time, so it stands to reason that even if the S450 has less hp than the LS, it won't matter that much. It'll be about the price/feature/prestige combination.
The prestige/status as well as styling of the S450 will also be a contributing factor in favor of the S-Class.
To get that wonderful S-Class for a price that comes closer to the LS, will be a "value" for the Mercedes S450. With the new S-Class being so desireable, the more affordable S450 should prove to be a viable contender, IMO.
#18906 of 24726 Re: Question [tagman]
Sep 14, 2006 (9:27 am)
I agree and believe that it will also become the volume leader S Class for MB. Forget the HP, it's 0-60 times that people will relate to.
If it is .5 seconds slower to 60 but hits it in 6.0, that's a quick ride. By offering AWD and if the price is within 7-10K of the LS, I think they will have a winner. In addition, they can always negate the price difference even further with strong leases. The big key for them is quality. I think they helped Lexus big time by "flunking" so many of the quality studies. If they get that handled, they can score big or should I say bigger.
The car is striking to look at, has a fantastic interior and has the presence that says, "ultimate". Just one guys opinion. (hey I drive an LS by the way)
#18907 of 24726 Re: dewy [dhamilton]
Sep 14, 2006 (9:44 am)
DH, you are correct. The Q7 shares less than 6% of chassis structure with the VW and Porsche, mainly the front bulkhead and sub-frame connectors.
The Q7 is really unique in that the chassis had to be fortified and strectched to accomodate a 3rd row. In the process, the Q7 gained 67% more stiffness against bending and 37% more ridgidity, all to make up one very suprisingly entertaining ride.
#18908 of 24726 Re: What is a MDX? An RDX? A TL? [ivan_99]
Sep 14, 2006 (9:46 am)
Actually, the G,M, and FX Infiniti models are based off of the FM-platform that was first used on the 350Z, so they do use, well, a Nissan platform.
#18909 of 24726 Re: New MB CL Class [merc1]
Sep 14, 2006 (9:49 am)
FINALLY: The CL is now a car that I can actually get interested in.
This CL63 looks leaps and bounds over the W220- CL65 of last year. Gone is the conservative styling. Gone are the awkward-looking exterior dimensions.
But as they say with MB big coupes, "it's nice to have a dream"0 as they're so unattainable, especially the hi-po AMG's.
#18910 of 24726 Re: Question [topspin628]
Sep 14, 2006 (9:57 am)
I don't think the LS upped their hp in order to retain existing customers but to attract new ones.
I would venture to say if Lexus had a 200hp V8 they would still retain their existing base (ok maybe 250hp);so a competitor needs to create a better “Lexus”...and the definition for Lexus doesn't include high hp or performance.
All generalizations of course.