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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: HELM engines [houdini1] by hpowders
Sep 01, 2006 (6:46 am)
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Re: HELM engines [syswei] by ivan_99
Sep 01, 2006 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: syswei (Sep 01, 2006 3:39 am)

I know...how about 4.2L for Audi…they must sell a lot of W12’s.
 
I think this guy (sitting in his parents basement) sometimes invents information so he’ll have fresh content (fresh but inaccurate)
 
I think…that he just added up the sizes sold for each type of model…then divided by the models…that it is not based on sales.
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Re: HELM engines [houdini1] by tagman
Sep 01, 2006 (7:15 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Sep 01, 2006 5:05 am)

Tag, in addition to all your other accomplishments, I see that you are now an expert on engine design. WOW. Lexus should be calling any second for more of your brilliant insights!
 
Thanks for the sarcastic compliment, but which brilliant insights are you referring to? Are you suggesting that posting a link about engines was brilliant? Gimmee a break.
 
I certainly want to take all the credit I can (lol) . . . but in this case I am not sure what the heck you are talking about.
 
TagMan
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Re: The British are coming...or going... [merc1] by lexusguy
Sep 01, 2006 (10:38 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Sep 01, 2006 2:56 am)

It gets better, BMW is supposedly interested in buying Aston-Martin. Aston would make a perfect fit in the BMW Group IMO. Aston would fit in neatly between BMW and Rolls-Royce which is sizeable gap. There would be no overlap between BMW and Aston or Aston and Rolls. BMW could bring Aston's quality up to BMW's level and give Aston some help in the engine room, the V12 needs a power boost and the V8 in Vantage could be replaced with a M designed V8. This could work.
 
It wouldn't just work, I think it would be the best Aston Martin ever. BMW could do for Aston what Audi has done for Lambo. The M3's V8 already has more horsepower than the V8 Vantage. If they used that as a base, 480hp+ wouldn't be a problem, which would make it the 911 fighter it was supposed to be.
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BMW Diesel by houdini1
Sep 01, 2006 (1:23 pm)
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HP, go over to the luxury performance sedans forum and check out post #8253 and look at the link. I would post the link here but I don't know how. Great video!!
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Re: It's a no-brainer [ivan_99] by dewey
Sep 01, 2006 (1:26 pm)
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Replying to: ivan_99 (Aug 31, 2006 11:06 am)

remember reading a discussion on the similarities between a Volvo S40 and the Mazda 3. They officially share the same platform; but have different engines, HVAC, suspensions, floorboards, insulation…practically everything is different.
 
Apparently your above statement is correct based on Merc1's post below.
 
Nothing has been officially decided or announced about a new 300 or a E-Class. Neither car is scheduled for a re-design until the 2009 model year. Also, the current 300 doesn't just simply use the old W210 E-Class chassis either. It uses bits and pieces from it, not the entire chassis in the way the Crossfire uses the old SLK chassis. The suspension design, seats, dashboard layout and other things are clearly W210 E-Class, but the rest isn't
 
BUT we all dont know yet to what extent the 300 and E will share a future platform?
 
Shortly after the "Merger of Equals" (as they wanted all of us to believe), DC wanted extensive platform and drivetrain sharing between various Mitsubushi and Chyrsler autos.
 
Now unfortunately Mitsubushi is out of the picture so the next best step for DC to do is to increase the sharing between drivetrains and platforms between Benzes and Chryslers. And what worries me most is the planned extent of sharing between these two marques. I just hope DC does not end up slaying the goose(Mercedes Benz) in order to save its eggs(Chrysler). I guess only time will tell.
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Re: It's a no-brainer [lexusguy] by dewey
Sep 01, 2006 (1:41 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 31, 2006 11:22 am)

Sharing V6s is ok, many automakers do that. V8s however, should remain M-B exclusive.
 
Lexusguy,
 
there is no company on this earth that is as good in platform sharing between luxury and non luxury autos as Toyota. Unfortunately very few other companies share that success.
 
The disasterous details of Jaguar/Ford platform sharing has been recently discussed here. The details of the success of platform sharing between Honda and Acura is evident when you follow Acura's dismal sales results. Platform sharing among Nissan and Infiniti cars have been discontinued due to the non-success of the I35.
 
VW has discovered the limitations of platform sharing with Audi and new/future models with the exception of the A3 will non-VW independent platfoms. In the 1990s BMW was smart enough not to do any Rover/BMW platform sharing .
 
IMO putting a unique V8 drivetrain in a MB that has an identical platform with a Chrysler will be a disaster. In this case automotive history is on my side.
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Re:Camry/ES350-----CROSSFIRE/SLK by greasykid1
Sep 01, 2006 (1:54 pm)
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Replying to: brightness04 (Aug 30, 2006 9:57 pm)

Don't agree with the comparisons. Just the opposite.
You can easily got your Lexus serviced at the local Toyota dealer but you cannot get your SLK serviced at your Chrysler dealer
 
Crossfire is old tech.SLK350 is a real sport car.
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Re:Camry/ES350-----CROSSFIRE/SLK [greasykid1] by dewey
Sep 01, 2006 (1:56 pm)
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Replying to: greasykid1 (Sep 01, 2006 1:54 pm)

Crossfire is old tech.SLK350 is a real sport car
 
Absolutely correct. Despite my worries I think in the end DC will be smart enough to keep Benzes as unique at possible. In fact I dont think they have a choice.
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Re: It's a no-brainer [dewey] by tagman
Sep 01, 2006 (2:05 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Sep 01, 2006 1:41 pm)

GM, Ford, and Chrysler made huge $en$e out of platform sharing for years, within their respective divisions, basically rebadging the same cars.
 
Yes, there were mistakes at the old big three, but they were not as much about platform sharing as they were about poor business management and poor quality.
 
TagMan

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