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24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: dewey (Aug 30, 2006 11:26 am) What I don't like is false statements or twisted data. That's different, unacceptable, and THAT is what I was referring to. Yes, I agree that the unemotional reviewers belong at Consumer Reports, but I'd swear, IMO, even those guys are biased, too! TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Aug 30, 2006 11:32 am) With this kind of negative bias from LA Times is it any wonder why GM threated to pull ads from their publications? Although I dont think Toyota is going to make the same threat to LA Times.
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Replying to: dewey (Aug 30, 2006 11:53 am) (Sorry Dewey-most of this is not directed at you.) Whether we as posters or whether professional auto reviewers are biased or not completely misses the point. Whether I agree with the reviewer's comments about Lexus, the company, also misses the point. This guy was using the guise of a review as an excuse to spew vitriol against Lexus the company, when he should have been telling us about the brakes, steering and handling of the 2007 Lexus LS460 to the best of his ability, biases or not. Anyway, enough said. Time to move on.
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 30, 2006 12:06 pm) I do think these kinds of reviews are more common than you are suggesting, and we will continue to see more of these biased views, some for the positive as well as the negative. Collectively they paint a more colorful picture, IMO. Heck, some of these reviews in the past have been so overly positive that they have made me wonder if the author is on the auto manufacturer's payroll. And others have been nothing more than a re-print of the manufacturer's press release. When the dust settles, and many more reviews are in, the Lexus LS460 will be much better understood, and we will all realize that the vehicle has legs to stand on. Ultimately we will all test drive it, and then we will truly know for ourselves what the LS460 really is. In the meantime, I'm not about to freak out over a few overly biased reviews (positive or negative). It's nothing new as far as I'm concerned. And, YES, it is time to move on. TagMan
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Replying to: greasykid1 (Aug 30, 2006 11:26 am) |
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Replying to: tagman (Aug 30, 2006 1:14 pm) Telling us that "Lexus ranks near zero Kelvin on the prestige thermometer"-what's that got to do with a review of the 2007 LS? it has no place there and demonstrates that this reviewer cannot be taken seriously. Tell me if the brakes are grabby, not that "Lexus has the emotional appeal of a public golf course." If these out of place comments annoyed me, I can't begin to imagine what Lexus lovers must feel. -273 degrees celsius is pretty cold even for me. 
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 30, 2006 1:41 pm) |
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Replying to: killerbunny (Aug 28, 2006 1:34 pm) On the other hand, the Land Rover sales guy grinned from ear to ear when I asked to off-road it... so I took a brand new 2006 LR3 HSE demo in behind some houses that were being built in a new development near the dealership.. the area where the bulldozers and service vehicles go... anyways, it had rained that morning, and it was all mud and ruts and sloppy, slippery goodness.... It does accelerate as well as pretty much any other HELM SUV - considering it weighs in around 5700 lbs(depending on options), but it can go places where few others dare to tread. Hence the reason why I now have a new Land Rover, instead of a new Cayenne, or BMW X3/X5 sitting in the driveway. Thinking of doing the Moab, Utah Land Rover experience soon too... looks spectacular! [Side Note] I didn't buy the demo.  After I got back into the sales center, the sales guy said that while we were out, some couple had been dealing with the other sales guy and had bought the demo... I brought it back coverred in mud everywhere - even over the roof, and buried in 24" of muck up the sides of the wheel wells. You shoulda seen their faces when I drove back on the lot with it! Absolutely Priceless. /DA |
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Replying to: houdini1 (Aug 29, 2006 2:33 am) Because there is nothing to admit, Chrysler and Mercedes don't have a image problem between the brands like Toyota and Lexus does. Only the ill-informed would think a Mercedes is a Chrysler in better clothes. Similar in design and them, but nothing else and one isn't an extension of the other. Unlike the R and Pacifica, the LS and Camry look the same inside and out, right down to their dash designs. M
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Replying to: dewey (Aug 29, 2006 12:51 pm) http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060829/FREE/60828027/1041 M
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