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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

#18464 of 24697 Re: Scary BMW Technology [hpowders] by syswei Aug 30, 2006 (7:55 am)
Replying to: hpowders (Aug 30, 2006 7:20 am) I will predict right here that within the next 2 years BMW will overtake Lexus in quality and reliability.   BMW has improved to the point where, if I could get a 7 with AWD, I would certainly consider it rather than an LS. However, I agree with Tagman on your prediction, and would place money against you. Replies to this message: hpowders (Aug 30, 2006 7:59 am) hpowders (Aug 30, 2006 8:12 am)
#18465 of 24697 Re: Scary BMW Technology [syswei] by hpowders Aug 30, 2006 (7:59 am)
Replying to: syswei (Aug 30, 2006 7:55 am) I would take that bet. Almost as sure as those puts I took on the price of crude last week. That should get me a week at the beach.
#18466 of 24697 Re: Scary BMW Technology [syswei] by hpowders Aug 30, 2006 (8:12 am)
Replying to: syswei (Aug 30, 2006 7:55 am) Funny though. If I was in the market for a high-end sedan, my priorities would definitely shift toward the luxury side of the equation and I wouldn't even consider the 7. I would be shopping the MB S-Class and possibly the new LS if the reviews get consistently better than what I have already read. I want to read more about the brakes.   I am fully aware of BMW's limitations, and it starts and ends with the interior appointments.   I have never been a cheerleader for the BMW 7, and still feel this vehicle runs contrary to this automaker's "vision."
#18468 of 24697 Re: A unforgettably bad review [dewey] by houdini1 Aug 30, 2006 (8:59 am)
Replying to: dewey (Aug 30, 2006 6:26 am) Reminds me of some of the European LS reviews. Maybe it is just their style when they review an auto from a different country that may threaten one of theirs (Range Rover). Note how your european buddy could not resist a dig at us Americans! I do not personally care for this auto myself but this was just a terrible piece of trash.
#18469 of 24697 Another review by ivan_99 Aug 30, 2006 (9:02 am)
Passion takes a back seat Replies to this message: tagman (Aug 30, 2006 9:15 am) hpowders (Aug 30, 2006 9:21 am) designman (Aug 30, 2006 9:37 am) syswei (Aug 30, 2006 9:47 am) hpowders (Aug 30, 2006 9:49 am) and 16 more...
#18470 of 24697 Re: Another review [ivan_99] by tagman Aug 30, 2006 (9:15 am)
Replying to: ivan_99 (Aug 30, 2006 9:02 am) ivan_99 - While not a "technical performance" review, as we will get from the car rags, nor is it objective by any means, it does, however, express what some see as the difference between the Japanese Lexus LS and the European HELMs.   TagMan
#18471 of 24697 Re: Another review [ivan_99] by hpowders Aug 30, 2006 (9:21 am)
Replying to: ivan_99 (Aug 30, 2006 9:02 am) Thanks for this informative link, Ivan_99.   The reviewer seems to have more of a bone to pick with Lexus as a brand than actually contributing anything meaningful about the 2007 LS itself. Sounds like he had this review written before he even approached the vehicle.   He writes "The brand still ranks near zero Kelvin on the prestige thermometer" and "Compared to luxury brands like Mercedes Benz, Cadillac(!), BMW and Audi, Lexus has the emotional appeal of a public golf course."   If you're going to review a car, tell us about the car and don't use a review as a thinly disguised personal vendetta against Lexus.   Given this reviewer's pre-conceived distaste for Lexus, the vehicle didn't stand a chance.   Let's hope that we can soon read some unbiased comprehensive reviews of the 2007 LS. We don't need biased hatchet jobs. Replies to this message: designman (Aug 30, 2006 9:37 am) syswei (Aug 30, 2006 9:47 am) hpowders (Aug 30, 2006 9:49 am) houdini1 (Aug 30, 2006 10:13 am) and 14 more... designman (Aug 30, 2006 10:20 am)
#18472 of 24697 Re: Another review [hpowders] by designman Aug 30, 2006 (9:37 am)
Replying to: hpowders (Aug 30, 2006 9:21 am) We don't need biased hatchet jobs.   Well at least we have these forums as a respite from such extremes.   Replies to this message: syswei (Aug 30, 2006 9:47 am) hpowders (Aug 30, 2006 9:49 am) houdini1 (Aug 30, 2006 10:13 am) hpowders (Aug 30, 2006 10:26 am) and 13 more... designman (Aug 30, 2006 10:20 am)
#18473 of 24697 Re: Another review [designman] by syswei Aug 30, 2006 (9:47 am)
Replying to: designman (Aug 30, 2006 9:37 am) Heh heh! Good one, designman!

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