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24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: dewey (Aug 30, 2006 7:16 am) I wouldn't worry too much about the reliability factor. BMW has made significant improvements here, as even CR has noticed. I feel confident enough in BMW that I will predict right here that within the next 2 years BMW will overtake Lexus in quality and reliability. There are already cracks showing in Toyota/Lexus' armor. I look for this trend to continue. BMW up. Lexus down. 
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 30, 2006 7:20 am) While I have previously predicted a slight downtick in Lexus' overall quality, due to the large number of new sophisticated technologies that they are employing . . . I am afraid that I do not agree with your statement at all. I think it is necessary for BMW to increase its quality and reliability, as it is for MB, and I do expect that to happen . . . but they will not overtake Lexus within two years, if ever, in terms of overall statistical reliability, IMO. More likely, look for a shrinking reliability gap between the marques, as a result of improved reliability, as well-demonstrated in the last few years by our respected friends at Jaguar. TagMan |
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 30, 2006 7:20 am) BMW has improved to the point where, if I could get a 7 with AWD, I would certainly consider it rather than an LS. However, I agree with Tagman on your prediction, and would place money against you.
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Replying to: syswei (Aug 30, 2006 7:55 am) Almost as sure as those puts I took on the price of crude last week. That should get me a week at the beach.
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Replying to: syswei (Aug 30, 2006 7:55 am) I would be shopping the MB S-Class and possibly the new LS if the reviews get consistently better than what I have already read. I want to read more about the brakes. I am fully aware of BMW's limitations, and it starts and ends with the interior appointments. I have never been a cheerleader for the BMW 7, and still feel this vehicle runs contrary to this automaker's "vision." |
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Replying to: dewey (Aug 30, 2006 6:26 am) |
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Passion takes a back seat
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Replying to: ivan_99 (Aug 30, 2006 9:02 am) TagMan |
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Replying to: ivan_99 (Aug 30, 2006 9:02 am) The reviewer seems to have more of a bone to pick with Lexus as a brand than actually contributing anything meaningful about the 2007 LS itself. Sounds like he had this review written before he even approached the vehicle. He writes "The brand still ranks near zero Kelvin on the prestige thermometer" and "Compared to luxury brands like Mercedes Benz, Cadillac(!), BMW and Audi, Lexus has the emotional appeal of a public golf course." If you're going to review a car, tell us about the car and don't use a review as a thinly disguised personal vendetta against Lexus. Given this reviewer's pre-conceived distaste for Lexus, the vehicle didn't stand a chance. Let's hope that we can soon read some unbiased comprehensive reviews of the 2007 LS. We don't need biased hatchet jobs.
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