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24700 messages,  Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: Average Age [hpowders] by syswei
Aug 29, 2006 (4:26 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 29, 2006 4:14 pm)

Where I live, about 7 out of 10 LS drivers are senior citizens.
 
Not where I live.
 
What point are you trying to make, anyway? Are you saying that LS owners on average are older than S owners? 7 owners? If the former, I disagree. We have no model-specific data, as you point out. But by observation, "where I live" if there is a difference between the age of the average S and LS driver, it would be that the S driver is older. I think the S appeals more to "old money" and the LS to "nouveau riche". All just my opinion.
 
If you mean that LS owners on average are older than 7 drivers, I would agree, based on personal observation and simple knowledge of the market positioning of the respective models.
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Re: Average Age [syswei] by hpowders
Aug 29, 2006 (4:28 pm)
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Replying to: syswei (Aug 29, 2006 4:26 pm)

The point is the Lexus target age for the LS is a lot higher than the median age across the brand.
That's gotta tell you something? No?
 
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Re: Average Age [hpowders] by syswei
Aug 29, 2006 (4:37 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 29, 2006 4:28 pm)

Sure, it tells us that the LS is higher priced and less sporty than the rest of the lineup and hence attracts older customers on average than the rest of the lineup.
 
But that would be true about the S, 7, A8, etc., relative to their lineups.
 
So what is the point? Did anyone here ever say that the median LS buyer is 49?
 
I actually had been only skimming the thread of late, noted Tagman's request for the table, and found it for him. Didn't make any claim that it represented the LS specifically.
 
I have no problem with a viewpoint that the average LS buyer is older than the average Lexus buyer. But if you are trying to criticize the LS or its buyers by saying they are "old", I would respond that imho they are no older than S buyers.
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Re: Average Age [hpowders] by pat HOST
Aug 29, 2006 (4:43 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 29, 2006 4:28 pm)

Anecdotal data does not tell you what the target age (or any demographic characteristic) is for any brand.
 
We need to be talking about the CARS. You like or don't like the car for what the car is - you don't like or dislike the car because of real or perceived demographical data ... do you?? I sure hope not.
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Re: Average Age [hpowders] by tagman
Aug 29, 2006 (4:58 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 29, 2006 4:28 pm)

What's your REAL point for crying out loud? If Lexus drivers are older, so what . . heck, with age comes wisdom, right? You can twist this data all day long and go nowhere fast. Sorry, Howard, but you're picking an argument that has no merit in the first place. Know what I mean?
 
BTW, season finale of "Rescue Me" airs tonight.
 
TagMan
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Re: Average Age [tagman] by hpowders
Aug 29, 2006 (5:29 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Aug 29, 2006 4:58 pm)

I understand what you are saying.
 
Great segue into the "Rescue Me" by the way!
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Bluetec down, but not out by blkhemi
Aug 29, 2006 (5:39 pm)
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Mercedes has always let it be known that the Bluetec would initially not be able to be sold to all 50 states off the bat.
 
The engine is low-sulfur ready and Tier 2 emissions capable.
 
BUT: The bluetec isn't done. MB will fit the water-vapor canister to the entire system to work in concert with the 4 catalytic converters that will last 1M miles for the '08 m/y. The Germans will have the cleanest diesels on the face of the planet, even outperforming some of those supposed super clean gas motors. Audi's TDI has a similar system on their cars that will be for sale here in '08. And BMW with the diesel-electric powerplant that it is in cahoots with GM on? This is going to be a very interesting upcoming year.
 
High Maintenance? Nowhere close. If MB does anything right, it's diesel engines.
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Cars by pat HOST
Aug 29, 2006 (5:39 pm)
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We're here to talk about cars. Not other members of the Forums who like or don't like any given vehicle and not any demographics, anecdotal or staticized (is that a word? It should be!!) about the drivers/owners of said cars.
 
Let's please keep our comments confined to how we feel about the cars themselves from here on out. There's plenty to debate right there.
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Autospies by hpowders
Aug 29, 2006 (6:07 pm)
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Just went over to Autospies and saw the first TV ad in the new campaign for the 2007 Lexus LS460.
The first comment by somebody who viewed the ad was in essence that the new LS looks too much like a "5-er."
I cleaned his comment up a bit.
 
A little from the back, perhaps.
Otherwise, I surely don't see it.
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Re: Bluetec down, but not out [blkhemi] by tagman
Aug 29, 2006 (6:24 pm)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 29, 2006 5:39 pm)

If MB does anything right, it's diesel engines.
 
Man, I'm with you on this.
 
As Dewey pointed out, this is the engine I'm waiting for. It will be worth the wait, I have little doubt. The question is, which models will get it?
 
I'm under the impression that we'll find the BlueTec in the E-Class and also in the new GL, but I just have to believe that it will work it's way into the S-Class sooner or later . . . it just plain makes so much sense to me to offer an S-Class diesel.
 
TagMan

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