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24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: syswei (Aug 29, 2006 4:03 pm) Where I live, about 7 out of 10 LS drivers are senior citizens. I never mentioned the average or median age of the entire Lexus brand, did I? Your statistic has no validity to what I posted, because this statistic going across the brand involves a lot of SUV sales-many of which are being driven by young, affluent Moms- what's their average age-about 34? This is a huge market for Lexus and will skew the average or median age significantly downward. Therefore, I have no problem with the average age being 49. I can accept that. What would it be if you take out SUV and IS sales? A lot higher! Even Autospies photographed the demographic target sign for the new LS recently and it was, I believe 55-60. Good luck Lexus with that! Whether you like it or not, more affluent older people drive the LS than younger people of significant means. Sorry, but that chart is totally inapropos what I am talking about.
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 29, 2006 4:14 pm) Not where I live. What point are you trying to make, anyway? Are you saying that LS owners on average are older than S owners? 7 owners? If the former, I disagree. We have no model-specific data, as you point out. But by observation, "where I live" if there is a difference between the age of the average S and LS driver, it would be that the S driver is older. I think the S appeals more to "old money" and the LS to "nouveau riche". All just my opinion. If you mean that LS owners on average are older than 7 drivers, I would agree, based on personal observation and simple knowledge of the market positioning of the respective models. |
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Replying to: syswei (Aug 29, 2006 4:26 pm) That's gotta tell you something? No? |
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 29, 2006 4:28 pm) But that would be true about the S, 7, A8, etc., relative to their lineups. So what is the point? Did anyone here ever say that the median LS buyer is 49? I actually had been only skimming the thread of late, noted Tagman's request for the table, and found it for him. Didn't make any claim that it represented the LS specifically. I have no problem with a viewpoint that the average LS buyer is older than the average Lexus buyer. But if you are trying to criticize the LS or its buyers by saying they are "old", I would respond that imho they are no older than S buyers. |
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 29, 2006 4:28 pm) We need to be talking about the CARS. You like or don't like the car for what the car is - you don't like or dislike the car because of real or perceived demographical data ... do you??  I sure hope not.
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 29, 2006 4:28 pm) BTW, season finale of "Rescue Me" airs tonight. TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Aug 29, 2006 4:58 pm) Great segue into the "Rescue Me" by the way! 
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Mercedes has always let it be known that the Bluetec would initially not be able to be sold to all 50 states off the bat. The engine is low-sulfur ready and Tier 2 emissions capable. BUT: The bluetec isn't done. MB will fit the water-vapor canister to the entire system to work in concert with the 4 catalytic converters that will last 1M miles for the '08 m/y. The Germans will have the cleanest diesels on the face of the planet, even outperforming some of those supposed super clean gas motors. Audi's TDI has a similar system on their cars that will be for sale here in '08. And BMW with the diesel-electric powerplant that it is in cahoots with GM on? This is going to be a very interesting upcoming year. High Maintenance? Nowhere close. If MB does anything right, it's diesel engines.
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We're here to talk about cars. Not other members of the Forums who like or don't like any given vehicle and not any demographics, anecdotal or staticized (is that a word? It should be!!) about the drivers/owners of said cars. Let's please keep our comments confined to how we feel about the cars themselves from here on out. There's plenty to debate right there. |
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Just went over to Autospies and saw the first TV ad in the new campaign for the 2007 Lexus LS460. The first comment by somebody who viewed the ad was in essence that the new LS looks too much like a "5-er." I cleaned his comment up a bit. A little from the back, perhaps. Otherwise, I surely don't see it. |
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