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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#18265 of 24726 Re: Another Review of the 2007 LS 460 [hpowders]
Aug 25, 2006 (3:21 pm)
I read elsewhere on another thread that the autorags "wouldn't dare" give the LS 460 a negative review because of the power and influence of Lexus.
Yeah I read that too. Amazing how everyone outside of the magazine knows how they conduct business. One minute the mags won't give a Lexus a good review because they're biased and love Euros too much, now they won't give the LS a bad review because of Toyota. Nothing but the same ole cry baby excuses concerning car magazine reviews.
Motor Trend showed their bias months ago when they printed that the new LS would have a 350hp V8 and a 7-speed tranny (early info before they actually saw the car) yet the actual review on the actual car is glowing.
All the magazines that put the LS on top before I guess didn't know what they were talking about then either.
#18266 of 24726 Re: Another Review of the 2007 LS 460 [merc1]
Aug 25, 2006 (4:17 pm)
I guess the tiebreaking and deciding vote on the 2007 Lexus LS 460 will go to Road & Track.
I hope they test it with the new sportier suspension because we can safely predict what they will say if they test the basic LS 460 (which would be a shame).
#18267 of 24726 Re: Another Review of the 2007 LS 460 [hpowders]
Aug 25, 2006 (5:07 pm)
A bmw 550i was parked right in front of the house and when I came out the porch door it looked quite striking....I know some don`t like the design from the rear, but I wonder if they have ever thought how they would change it? All in all it lookes like it does because of all it`s components...I further don`t really think Lexus ls and 550 are at all alike, or in the same arena...Tony
#18268 of 24726 The Euphoria of future GS and LS models share the same Destiny
Aug 25, 2006 (5:52 pm)
Hp and Merc1,
Well, well isn't this a great surprise? The LS460 is a bargain but also an incredibly bland car for an enthusiast.What else is new?
After reading some prior posts here I thought this car was going to be the New Jerusalem of the auto industry.
Anyone waiting for an LS that can compete with the Germans will end up sharing the same fate as the two gentlemen in "Waiting for Godot".
Eternity is a very long time!
#18269 of 24726 Re: Another Review of the 2007 LS 460 [anthonyp]
Aug 25, 2006 (5:54 pm)
No. Of course. They play to different crowds.
The LS is a HELM with an emphasis on luxury.
The 550 is an LPS with the emphasis on performance.
They can overlap in price, however, since a well-equipped 550 can approach $75k.
I'm glad you found the 550 "striking" Tony!
As far as the rear goes, the spy photos of the next 5 Series show a distinct toning down of the Bangle tail lights-a little more "conservative" look.
#18270 of 24726 Re: The Euphoria of future GS and LS models share the same Destiny [dewey]
Aug 25, 2006 (5:58 pm)
Good to have you back!
The general consensus of reviews loves the luxurious appointments of the LS 460, but gives it a big yawn for driveability.
Exactly what they wrote when reviewing the LS 430.
#18271 of 24726 Re: The Euphoria of future GS and LS models share the same Destiny [hpowders]
Aug 25, 2006 (6:01 pm)
I look forward to reading that post. I have not yet had the time to read every post here since Aug. 12th.
I've got a lot of heavy duty reading to do tonight.
#18272 of 24726 Re: Another Review of the 2007 LS 460 [hpowders]
Aug 25, 2006 (6:24 pm)
Well I think we have to wait for the real roadtests and comparos before we can call it.
I don't think the S550 really leans toward performance that much more per say, it just manages to offer that smooth ride with a greater sense of the road than the LS does. That has always been the key for the S-Class.
#18273 of 24726 It's Good To See
Aug 26, 2006 (5:01 am)
All this interest in the LS from the Europhiles. Seems to be the favorite topic of discussion (rightfully so) here on the European helm board. It is still surprising to see how many draw conclusions from mags before they actually drive the car or even see one in person.
When you consider the fact that the LS is currently the most successful car in the world, I can only hope that Lexus has not changed this winning combination too much. Why in the world would the LS need or want to compete with the Germans when the LS is already so far ahead of them? With their comparitively small sales, the Europeans have been relegated to the "botique Class".
I do not like the self parking feature and hope that they rethink this and eliminate the thing. It is totally over the top and unnecessary. I also think that the trouble Audi had a few years ago with the phantom unintended acceleration will pale into insignificance when the lawsuits start to hit involving this self parking gizmo. What were they thinking?
#18274 of 24726 Re: It's Good To See [houdini1]
Aug 26, 2006 (5:43 am)
I usually don't like gizmos but think the idea of auto pilot features in general are intriguing. Will have to see the self park in action to pass judgment. Would be nice to press a button and have the car park itself. I wonder why they couldn't incorporate the brakes in there... probably because it would require a lot of additional, expensive mechanisms and electronics. I suppose that's one of the next steps though.