High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#18261 of 24700 Re: LS 460 [hpowders] by ctsang Aug 25, 2006 (1:24 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Aug 24, 2006 4:14 pm) Glad you are not buying. That means one less people waiting in line. Hooray.
#18262 of 24700 Another Review of the 2007 LS 460 by hpowders Aug 25, 2006 (2:34 pm)
This from "Car And Driver" on the new 2007 Lexus LS 460: "Comfortable seats, quiet cabin, smooth V-8. A bargain compared with German competitors." "Styling isn't groundbreaking. It's still not a driver's car. Chassis is balanced, but it likes to lean in corners. Teriffically bland to the enthusiast." These are the exact same comments the autorags have been making for years about this vehicle's predecessor, the LS 430. Doesn't seem like much has changed according to influential "Car And Driver." Pardon me while I step off the line. Count me out!!! Replies to this message: merc1 (Aug 25, 2006 3:06 pm) hpowders (Aug 25, 2006 3:11 pm) merc1 (Aug 25, 2006 3:21 pm) and 4 more...
#18263 of 24700 Re: Another Review of the 2007 LS 460 [hpowders] by merc1 Aug 25, 2006 (3:06 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Aug 25, 2006 2:34 pm) Differing reviews....in the October Motor Trend they imply that the LS460 might actually be fun to drive. In looking at the pictures the car appears unbalanced in SWB form, like I saw in person at this year's past auto shows. The LWB version looks like a slab-sided barge. There are some interesting details...it appears the engine is totally covered in plastic from top to bottom, and the electronic cam phasing. Overall though it seems the Germans have nothing to worry about on the dynamic front. Features galore and beige leather everywhere and a little less isolation than before it seems is the general consensus among the auto mags. M Replies to this message: hpowders (Aug 25, 2006 3:11 pm) merc1 (Aug 25, 2006 3:21 pm) hpowders (Aug 25, 2006 4:17 pm) and 3 more...
#18264 of 24700 Re: Another Review of the 2007 LS 460 [merc1] by hpowders Aug 25, 2006 (3:11 pm)
Replying to: merc1 (Aug 25, 2006 3:06 pm) All I know is Car And Driver could have copied those exact words used to describe the new LS 460 from an old review of the LS 430. According to them not much has changed. I read elsewhere on another thread that the autorags "wouldn't dare" give the LS 460 a negative review because of the power and influence of Lexus. Guess again! Replies to this message: merc1 (Aug 25, 2006 3:21 pm) hpowders (Aug 25, 2006 4:17 pm) anthonyp (Aug 25, 2006 5:07 pm) and 1 more... merc1 (Aug 25, 2006 6:24 pm)
#18265 of 24700 Re: Another Review of the 2007 LS 460 [hpowders] by merc1 Aug 25, 2006 (3:21 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Aug 25, 2006 3:11 pm) I read elsewhere on another thread that the autorags "wouldn't dare" give the LS 460 a negative review because of the power and influence of Lexus. Yeah I read that too. Amazing how everyone outside of the magazine knows how they conduct business. One minute the mags won't give a Lexus a good review because they're biased and love Euros too much, now they won't give the LS a bad review because of Toyota. Nothing but the same ole cry baby excuses concerning car magazine reviews. Motor Trend showed their bias months ago when they printed that the new LS would have a 350hp V8 and a 7-speed tranny (early info before they actually saw the car) yet the actual review on the actual car is glowing. All the magazines that put the LS on top before I guess didn't know what they were talking about then either. M Replies to this message: hpowders (Aug 25, 2006 4:17 pm) anthonyp (Aug 25, 2006 5:07 pm) hpowders (Aug 25, 2006 5:54 pm) merc1 (Aug 25, 2006 6:24 pm)
#18266 of 24700 Re: Another Review of the 2007 LS 460 [merc1] by hpowders Aug 25, 2006 (4:17 pm)
Replying to: merc1 (Aug 25, 2006 3:21 pm) I guess the tiebreaking and deciding vote on the 2007 Lexus LS 460 will go to Road & Track. I hope they test it with the new sportier suspension because we can safely predict what they will say if they test the basic LS 460 (which would be a shame). Replies to this message: anthonyp (Aug 25, 2006 5:07 pm) hpowders (Aug 25, 2006 5:54 pm) merc1 (Aug 25, 2006 6:24 pm)
#18267 of 24700 Re: Another Review of the 2007 LS 460 [hpowders] by anthonyp Aug 25, 2006 (5:07 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Aug 25, 2006 4:17 pm) A bmw 550i was parked right in front of the house and when I came out the porch door it looked quite striking....I know some don`t like the design from the rear, but I wonder if they have ever thought how they would change it? All in all it lookes like it does because of all it`s components...I further don`t really think Lexus ls and 550 are at all alike, or in the same arena...Tony Replies to this message: hpowders (Aug 25, 2006 5:54 pm)
#18268 of 24700 The Euphoria of future GS and LS models share the same Destiny by dewey Aug 25, 2006 (5:52 pm)
Hp and Merc1, Well, well isn't this a great surprise? The LS460 is a bargain but also an incredibly bland car for an enthusiast.What else is new? After reading some prior posts here I thought this car was going to be the New Jerusalem of the auto industry. Anyone waiting for an LS that can compete with the Germans will end up sharing the same fate as the two gentlemen in "Waiting for Godot". Eternity is a very long time! Replies to this message: hpowders (Aug 25, 2006 5:58 pm) dewey (Aug 25, 2006 6:01 pm)
#18269 of 24700 Re: Another Review of the 2007 LS 460 [anthonyp] by hpowders Aug 25, 2006 (5:54 pm)
Replying to: anthonyp (Aug 25, 2006 5:07 pm) No. Of course. They play to different crowds. The LS is a HELM with an emphasis on luxury. The 550 is an LPS with the emphasis on performance. They can overlap in price, however, since a well-equipped 550 can approach $75k. I'm glad you found the 550 "striking" Tony! As far as the rear goes, the spy photos of the next 5 Series show a distinct toning down of the Bangle tail lights-a little more "conservative" look.
#18270 of 24700 Re: The Euphoria of future GS and LS models share the same Destiny [dewey] by hpowders Aug 25, 2006 (5:58 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Aug 25, 2006 5:52 pm) Good to have you back! The general consensus of reviews loves the luxurious appointments of the LS 460, but gives it a big yawn for driveability. Exactly what they wrote when reviewing the LS 430. Replies to this message: dewey (Aug 25, 2006 6:01 pm)