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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 24, 2006 8:35 am) The first drive they ran last week didn't say much. Nor did they say when to expect a comprehensive test drive. Logic tells me since they already did the first drive, the road test will have to follow. Should be sometime in October. From the first drive, it is obvious that the LS 460 is a huge improvement in the looks dept. over the current version. Lexus did a nice job on this vehicle's appearance. To my eyes, the LS 460L is not nearly the looker the LS 460 is. |
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The LS 460's appearance has done a complete 180. The car no longer appears as if it were a body-on-frame design, and it does have an elegant pose to it. And the rags are right, the car will be the most technology-packed car in the class, even more so than the Microsoft-cerified 7-Series. But will it be enough to be taken seriously by the Europeans? On paper, they have all of the boxes checked. But as the '01 proved, they still had some work to do when it debuted. The '04 refresh corrected some, but much was still wanted. I hear that Lexus is getting serious about the supposed LS460 "Sport". They have approached Delphi, the bankrupt but functional GM sub, about fitting the car with the electromagnetic shocks that make the Vette, XLR, and new Ferrari's corner like they are on rails yet retain a ride so supple that you soon forget you're driving a car that is so capable. The '07 appears to be better apportioned. The styling is primo, not annonymous like the current. I personally like the styling, but a test drive will definetely have to make me a believer, if not a total Lexus convert.
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 24, 2006 1:29 pm) Already the admittedly small consensus of reviews praise this vehicle for technological sophistication but condemn it for lack of driver involvement. It "practically drives itself" seems to be the consensus phrase. This car will sell well. There apparently are a lot of people who prefer luxury over exciting performance when they enter the HELM realm. This car was made for them. Count me out. I must admit, however, the new LS460 as seen on MotorWeek is a very good looking car.
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 24, 2006 4:14 pm) Short or Long wheelbase\ 2 powertrains 17" up to 20" wheels 14 standard color choices at launch And these are just a few of the long rosters of goodies the car will pack. BUT: Sources say the 345hp S450 is on the way, with more standard features than the LS460, with probably a $70-75k start. The funny thing is this is a better car with more standard features over the '06 W220, but for 5k less. See team Lexus: MB and the golden "L" can go friendly in the same post.  
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 24, 2006 4:14 pm) |
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This from "Car And Driver" on the new 2007 Lexus LS 460: "Comfortable seats, quiet cabin, smooth V-8. A bargain compared with German competitors." "Styling isn't groundbreaking. It's still not a driver's car. Chassis is balanced, but it likes to lean in corners. Teriffically bland to the enthusiast." These are the exact same comments the autorags have been making for years about this vehicle's predecessor, the LS 430. Doesn't seem like much has changed according to influential "Car And Driver." Pardon me while I step off the line. Count me out!!!
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 25, 2006 2:34 pm) In looking at the pictures the car appears unbalanced in SWB form, like I saw in person at this year's past auto shows. The LWB version looks like a slab-sided barge. There are some interesting details...it appears the engine is totally covered in plastic from top to bottom, and the electronic cam phasing. Overall though it seems the Germans have nothing to worry about on the dynamic front. Features galore and beige leather everywhere and a little less isolation than before it seems is the general consensus among the auto mags. M
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Replying to: merc1 (Aug 25, 2006 3:06 pm) According to them not much has changed. I read elsewhere on another thread that the autorags "wouldn't dare" give the LS 460 a negative review because of the power and influence of Lexus. Guess again!
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 25, 2006 3:11 pm) Yeah I read that too. Amazing how everyone outside of the magazine knows how they conduct business. One minute the mags won't give a Lexus a good review because they're biased and love Euros too much, now they won't give the LS a bad review because of Toyota. Nothing but the same ole cry baby excuses concerning car magazine reviews. Motor Trend showed their bias months ago when they printed that the new LS would have a 350hp V8 and a 7-speed tranny (early info before they actually saw the car) yet the actual review on the actual car is glowing. All the magazines that put the LS on top before I guess didn't know what they were talking about then either. M |
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Replying to: merc1 (Aug 25, 2006 3:21 pm) I hope they test it with the new sportier suspension because we can safely predict what they will say if they test the basic LS 460 (which would be a shame).
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