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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 20, 2006 8:50 am)  Frankly, given MB's atrocious record with fancy subsystems, I'd be really worried about any system that may lull the driver into thinking the car can take care of driving all on its own . . . both for the driver and the for the motorist in front of it.
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Replying to: syswei (Aug 19, 2006 5:38 pm) M |
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 20, 2006 8:50 am) M
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Replying to: brightness04 (Aug 20, 2006 9:20 pm) Wow, a car that semi-parks itself is better than a car that follows a cars path AND come to complete stop, fully. Maybe the "pursuit of perfection" has fallen off of MB's cruise radar... BTW: Which electronics that MB has had over the last decade that had an "atrocious" record in which you may be referring? Up until the '07 S550, I've had every gadget MB has put out since 2000, and besides the COMAND problems(similar to the Nav and early Mark Levinson failures of the LS and other Lexus/Toyota models), NOTHING has ever went wrong with the electronics.
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Replying to: merc1 (Aug 20, 2006 9:28 pm) The S600 stats: 0-60 in 4.4 secs?( a scant 0.03 behind the pavement scorching S65 and you save 35-40k) 60-0 in 117 feet(better than the current LS by 18 feet, one car length)? 1/4 mile in 12.9 secs(Vette Z51 and Porsche 911 4S matching with almost double their weight)? The feel of being rode around in the absolute finest HELM on the road today by quite a margin(only the Bentley FS truely compares): Priceless.
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 21, 2006 12:41 pm) Are you saying that with the MB system, the driver need not steer?
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Replying to: syswei (Aug 21, 2006 1:22 pm) A bit of sarcasm in that statement, uh syswei? Of course he/she has to steer, but their legs can be comfortable without the strenuous workout of mashing an accelerator.
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 21, 2006 2:20 pm) Anyway if you look at the Lexus system for the LS460, it can as I understand it brake the car, but not to a stop like MB. I have to assume that if it can brake the car, Lexus made a conscious decision to NOT go as far as braking to a full stop. Or do you think the engineers there are incapable of designing that in? Maybe they felt that if a driver relied on the system to do brake to a full stop, it might help put the driver to sleep. Solve one safety issue and create another. Anyway it is interesting how Team Europe thinks Lexus needs to be more involving, more of a driver's car. But when it comes to cruise control, the less driver input the better. Personally, every car I have owned has had cruise control. But I NEVER use it, because I think it will lead to driver inattention.
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Replying to: syswei (Aug 21, 2006 2:31 pm) In the same vein, Lexus' claim of the quietest car in class would have the same effect. Or the super-plush air ride that Lexus loves to boast about can rock one sound asleep before the nursery rhyme is over. Or it could be the yawn-inducing ho-hum styling. A driver using cruise control would fair much better than being in a car so quiet that you can't even hear an ambulance or fire engine coming. We all want Lexus to dump the "Japanese Buick" derivative. Yes we strive for more involvement. Will the car ever be as good a performer as the Euro's? Never, and Lexus will make sure of that. And when you have a 1800 mile jaunt in front of you, you'll become best friends with cruise control....... |
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