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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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WHOA??? by blkhemi
Aug 20, 2006 (8:50 am)
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With all of this LS 460 talk going on with ranting about how the car can park itself, has everyone besides the Euro-Car fans forgotten that the S550 does a much better job at using it's electronic radars??
 
This is the one and only car that not only governs how far away the car in front of it is, but can come to a complete stop and resume back to the speed set forth before the car came to a complete stop, WITHOUT driver's intervention. Lexus even says on the press release that, "with the drivers input", the car can park with "ease".
 
So let's see. Would I (a), want a car that can stop and resume speeds without the drivers input, or (b), try to let a 215" car parallel park itself only to have to end up parking it myself as the system has to read objects at least a foot away?
 
This is not another LS v. Euro car thing. It just has to be pointed out that because the car can "park" itself does not equate to the best thing since Windows 95.
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Re: WHOA??? [blkhemi] by reality2
Aug 20, 2006 (9:12 am)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 20, 2006 8:50 am)

I couldn't agree with you more. My question is what is the point of such a feature other than a gimmick to state how "luxurious" I think I am because I have so many useless gizmos on my car. Their is a good description of the system in the latest Autoweek. With the parking feature on the LS you still have to apply the brakes or you will crash into the object (in this case another car). To me the definition of HELM does not have to be determined by how many tacky features one can have, but what the car (in this the HELM) actually is in terms of presence, performance, design, quality, built, and the features that are actually useful and appointments that are luxurious. Features have to have a necessary purpose such as adaptive cruise control or Bluetooth; and even a frig. has its purpose more so than a car parking itself at this time of evolving technology.
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Re: WHOA??? [blkhemi] by brightness04
Aug 20, 2006 (9:20 pm)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 20, 2006 8:50 am)

Now I get it . . . all that talk about euro car handling was just for following the car immediate ahead so that when point B is reached, one can get to the real fun part called parallel parking by oneself. . .
 
Frankly, given MB's atrocious record with fancy subsystems, I'd be really worried about any system that may lull the driver into thinking the car can take care of driving all on its own . . . both for the driver and the for the motorist in front of it.
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Re: Motorweek [syswei] by merc1
Aug 20, 2006 (9:23 pm)
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Replying to: syswei (Aug 19, 2006 5:38 pm)

Motorweek doesn't come on here until Monday night at 7pm, but the segment they're talking about is a one of those "first drive" type deals. Should be interesting.
 
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Re: WHOA??? [reality2] by brightness04
Aug 20, 2006 (9:24 pm)
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Replying to: reality2 (Aug 20, 2006 9:12 am)

IMHO, automatic parallel parking, if it works, will catch on just as nicely as GPS systems, especially among the HELM. So many HELM cars are driven in the city, and parallel parking a 200+" car in congested cities is a non-trivial task. The fridge are usually located behind the back seat . . . so it's quite pointless unless you are the rider, not the driver.
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Re: WHOA??? [blkhemi] by merc1
Aug 20, 2006 (9:28 pm)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 20, 2006 8:50 am)

Are you any closer to making your decision?
 
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Re: WHOA??? [brightness04] by blkhemi
Aug 21, 2006 (12:41 pm)
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Replying to: brightness04 (Aug 20, 2006 9:20 pm)

But you'd let your $60k LS park itself AFTER you explain to your insurance adjuster that the object the radar has to read for guidance was to close and the LS "tapped" it?
 
Wow, a car that semi-parks itself is better than a car that follows a cars path AND come to complete stop, fully. Maybe the "pursuit of perfection" has fallen off of MB's cruise radar...
 
BTW: Which electronics that MB has had over the last decade that had an "atrocious" record in which you may be referring? Up until the '07 S550, I've had every gadget MB has put out since 2000, and besides the COMAND problems(similar to the Nav and early Mark Levinson failures of the LS and other Lexus/Toyota models), NOTHING has ever went wrong with the electronics.
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Re: WHOA??? [merc1] by blkhemi
Aug 21, 2006 (12:50 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Aug 20, 2006 9:28 pm)

We're going to go with the S600 & and the S8. After much debate, and much to the chargrin of my wife, I chose the S600 for it's all-around performance and luxury. We already had the S8 on order way back in the spring, but my daughter needed a bigger car and all of my collectables we're obviously not "good enough", so the W12 seemed to be the best fit for her and my grandson. Very safe with the latest restraint and safety equipment.
 
The S600 stats:
0-60 in 4.4 secs?( a scant 0.03 behind the pavement scorching S65 and you save 35-40k)
60-0 in 117 feet(better than the current LS by 18 feet, one car length)?
1/4 mile in 12.9 secs(Vette Z51 and Porsche 911 4S matching with almost double their weight)?
 
The feel of being rode around in the absolute finest HELM on the road today by quite a margin(only the Bentley FS truely compares): Priceless.
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Re: WHOA??? [blkhemi] by syswei
Aug 21, 2006 (1:22 pm)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 21, 2006 12:41 pm)

follows a cars path
 
Are you saying that with the MB system, the driver need not steer?
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Re: WHOA??? [syswei] by blkhemi
Aug 21, 2006 (2:20 pm)
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Replying to: syswei (Aug 21, 2006 1:22 pm)

"the driver need not steer?"
 
A bit of sarcasm in that statement, uh syswei? Of course he/she has to steer, but their legs can be comfortable without the strenuous workout of mashing an accelerator.

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