High End Luxury Cars

24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#18208 of 24697 Re: Canadian Driver August 15, 2006 [hpowders] by brightness04 Aug 17, 2006 (5:51 pm)
Every owner of an S Class can easily purchase an LS Not necessarily some of those who leased an S320 last year / earlier this year for less than $500 a month. many LS owners cannot afford to . . . Highly doubtful. It's like saying people lease 545i because they can not afford LS . . . while it may be true for some folks since the 545i is after all less expensive, more often than not there are other reasons. The hyperboles are just so many wasted electrons . . . or shall I say, projection?? as in projecting your own frustration with settling for a 545i?
#18211 of 24697 Re: LS460 [merc1] by brightness04 Aug 17, 2006 (9:57 pm)
Ownership and long-term hands-on experience does bring a more in-depth perspective. For example, BMW's i-drive system, every "professional" story teller panned it, yet quite a few owners adjusted to and eventually even enjoyed it as they got used to its, shall I say, idosyncratic logic. "Professional reviewers" specialty is in journalism, i.e. writing and telling of rivetting stories . . . not auto engineering or ergonomics. So their prowess is in helping selling ad space . . . not necessarily anything car related . . . we have witnessed numerous PC reviwers of the early 90's becoming car reviewers and stock pickers in the late 90's . . . proof that their specialty is in writing . . . the underlying subject matter just happens to be the catch of the day.
#18214 of 24697 Motorweek by syswei Aug 19, 2006 (5:38 pm)
I read on CL that this week's Motorweek featured the LS460. Anyone catch it? Replies to this message: merc1 (Aug 20, 2006 9:23 pm) merc1 (Aug 22, 2006 12:58 am)
#18215 of 24697 WHOA??? by blkhemi Aug 20, 2006 (8:50 am)
With all of this LS 460 talk going on with ranting about how the car can park itself, has everyone besides the Euro-Car fans forgotten that the S550 does a much better job at using it's electronic radars?? This is the one and only car that not only governs how far away the car in front of it is, but can come to a complete stop and resume back to the speed set forth before the car came to a complete stop, WITHOUT driver's intervention. Lexus even says on the press release that, "with the drivers input", the car can park with "ease". So let's see. Would I (a), want a car that can stop and resume speeds without the drivers input, or (b), try to let a 215" car parallel park itself only to have to end up parking it myself as the system has to read objects at least a foot away? This is not another LS v. Euro car thing. It just has to be pointed out that because the car can "park" itself does not equate to the best thing since Windows 95. Replies to this message: reality2 (Aug 20, 2006 9:12 am) brightness04 (Aug 20, 2006 9:24 pm) brightness04 (Aug 20, 2006 9:20 pm) blkhemi (Aug 21, 2006 12:41 pm) syswei (Aug 21, 2006 1:22 pm) and 10 more... brightness04 (Aug 21, 2006 7:15 pm) and 2 more... merc1 (Aug 20, 2006 9:28 pm) blkhemi (Aug 21, 2006 12:50 pm) merc1 (Aug 22, 2006 12:52 am) and 4 more...
#18216 of 24697 Re: WHOA??? [blkhemi] by reality2 Aug 20, 2006 (9:12 am)
Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 20, 2006 8:50 am) I couldn't agree with you more. My question is what is the point of such a feature other than a gimmick to state how "luxurious" I think I am because I have so many useless gizmos on my car. Their is a good description of the system in the latest Autoweek. With the parking feature on the LS you still have to apply the brakes or you will crash into the object (in this case another car). To me the definition of HELM does not have to be determined by how many tacky features one can have, but what the car (in this the HELM) actually is in terms of presence, performance, design, quality, built, and the features that are actually useful and appointments that are luxurious. Features have to have a necessary purpose such as adaptive cruise control or Bluetooth; and even a frig. has its purpose more so than a car parking itself at this time of evolving technology. Replies to this message: brightness04 (Aug 20, 2006 9:24 pm)
#18217 of 24697 Re: WHOA??? [blkhemi] by brightness04 Aug 20, 2006 (9:20 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 20, 2006 8:50 am) Now I get it . . . all that talk about euro car handling was just for following the car immediate ahead so that when point B is reached, one can get to the real fun part called parallel parking by oneself. . . Frankly, given MB's atrocious record with fancy subsystems, I'd be really worried about any system that may lull the driver into thinking the car can take care of driving all on its own . . . both for the driver and the for the motorist in front of it. Replies to this message: blkhemi (Aug 21, 2006 12:41 pm) syswei (Aug 21, 2006 1:22 pm) blkhemi (Aug 21, 2006 2:20 pm) and 9 more... brightness04 (Aug 21, 2006 7:15 pm) blkhemi (Aug 22, 2006 1:11 pm) and 1 more...