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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#18156 of 24726 The Best Edmunds Can Say!
Aug 16, 2006 (10:36 am)
After the "First Drive" of the 2007 LS 460:
"The new Lexus may not be as pretty as the Audi, or as powerful as the Mercedes, or as driver-focused as the 750i, but it is the only one that can park itself."
Let's see-it's not too pretty, not too powerful and not too driver-focused.
Well what the heck is left???
If that's the best Edmunds can say about the 2007 LS, it must be pretty disappointing.
A shame to pay $65k and up when the best you can say about the car is "it can park itself."
#18157 of 24726 Need more reviews
Aug 16, 2006 (11:43 am)
It's still way too early to draw any significant opinions about the LS, IMO.
The vehicle is likely to show signs of improvement, but for the most part will simply accomplish the task that it was created for, and do so very well.
The luxury will be refined and the ride will be soft. A bit more power, techno wizardry and the car parks itself.
It's way too early to be drawing big conclusions about the brakes, IMO, although early indications are that they may be a bit too touchy or grabby.
"touchy and grabby"? . . . . sounds like the car is X-rated.
Aug 16, 2006 (11:49 am)
Seems to be generating a lot of interest on the helm board. Come on guys, it will be 2 months before the car hits the streets. Rather than already bashing it, can't you find something good to say about some other makes? Reminds me of Bush and the democrats!!
#18160 of 24726 Re: FACTS and TRUTH on the HELM forum [brightness04]
Aug 16, 2006 (11:55 am)
The Lexus press release admits that the first two gears of the 8-speed tranny are intentionally low to enable brisker acceleration. This is a very good indication that the low end torque is a bit weak, but as you say, the final curves are not out yet. I'll bet the ranch, however, that the engine is a bit weak in low-end torque, and that overall it delivers its best torque and hp at mid to high rpms, with not very much going on at the low rpms.
#18161 of 24726 Re: New LS [houdini1]
Aug 16, 2006 (12:00 pm)
"It will be 2 months before the car hits the streets."
Yes, but some reviews from Canada and Britain are already out for the 2007 LS-none favorable, plus you have the Edmunds "first drive" which was mildly polite at best.
When the reviews come out for any new HELM model, as they have been with the 2007 LS, we will comment on them.
It's what we do!
#18162 of 24726 Re: New LS [hpowders]
Aug 16, 2006 (12:25 pm)
Well, if you need some info on the S Class just go to that board. There has been one post there in the last month!! All the previous posts talked about were problems, problems, problems!! Very exciting!!
#18163 of 24726 Re: New LS [houdini1]
Aug 16, 2006 (12:36 pm)
And you can go to the regular LS board (not the futures board) and find all kinds of talk about problems with the LS.
So . . . what's your point other than to do some more bashing?
BTW, unlike the LS booard, this board allows us to discuss ALL the HELMs, including the LS, so it is reasonable to expect more comparisons and criticisms alike.
#18164 of 24726 Re: New LS [hpowders]
Aug 16, 2006 (12:40 pm)
Plus you have the Edmunds "first drive" which was mildly polite at best.
Who knows, Edmunds could end up falling in love with the car. There's so much continuity in the reviews around here that the GS is simultaniously Japan's best, and worst, sports sedan.
#18165 of 24726 Re: New LS [tagman]
Aug 16, 2006 (12:52 pm)
Well, that's pretty obvious also...so what is your point? I thought you liked factual posts. No need to get defensive.
I can't seem to find a forum for the NEW S Class. You would think a car of this worldwide status, prestige and interest would have one.