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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

#17953 of 24700 Re: platform sharing of HELMs [stevekilburn] by merc1 Aug 10, 2006 (9:24 pm)
Replying to: stevekilburn (Aug 10, 2006 3:18 pm) Even though Aston Martin shares all the underpinnings with Jaguar and Ford, they are passed of as platforms UNIQUE TO so and so.   This is absolutely incorrect now. The DB9, V8 Vantage and Vanquish are all built on specific Aston-Martin platform. Now how much of this "architecture" is shared with Jaguar's similarly all aluminum platform no one will know, but one thing is for sure there is nothing shared with a "Ford" at this point when it comes to Aston-Martin. True they did start with 2 Duratec V6s to make Aston's V12, but listen to one at idle at tell me do you hear anything remotely Fordish.   M
#17954 of 24700 Re: Merc [blkhemi] by lexusguy Aug 10, 2006 (9:32 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 10, 2006 7:05 pm) I have to admit, I am very interested to see what Audi comes up with for the next A4. That car, as well as the next generation C class and G35, will probably be the biggest threat the 3 series has ever faced. BMW had better hope their turbo will be enough.
#17955 of 24700 Re: "Lexus winning..... [oac] by merc1 Aug 10, 2006 (9:42 pm)
Replying to: oac (Aug 10, 2006 4:23 pm) Same old tired rant Oac.   Merc1: These statements of yours couldn't be any more wrong. Your constant ragging on Toyota/Lexus is nothing short of plain jealousness. SUVs and sedans... What does MB, Honda, Infiniti offer comparable to Toyota ? Give me a list of the products from these companies...or forever hold your dissing tongue against Toyota.   You stated that Toyota provided "variation" when in fact all they sell is a bunch of sedans/suvs/trucks with nothing else even worth looking at. You're the only one here that can't see this. The jealousness comment is interesting considering that was the basis for Lexus being formed in the first place and the majority of Lexus fans here can't mention anything about Lexus without mentioning Mercedes. If you look through the 07' LS thread you'll see the same sort of nonsense you see here about who and what is going to be destroyed, almost always it is Mercedes. That right there is "jealousy" plain and simple. In other threads about BMW/MB/Audi cars you don't see anything near the same level of bad mouthing and hate for competitors. This speaks volumes about who is jealous of who.   To compare Mercedes and Infiniti to Toyota is nonsense, but to compare them to Lexus is easy. Mercedes builds more sedans/coupes/convertibles/roadsters/sports cars than Lexus could ever imagine to build. Lexus builds one car with 2 doors and it drives like their largest and dullest 4-door. How bass ackwards is that? Infiniti builds an actual sports coupe, something again Lexus doesn't have. Lexus does have a convertible, something Infiniti doesn't have so they may be a wash there, but please spare yourself the embarrasement of comparing Lexus to MB or BMW when it comes to the variety of models on offer by the Germans.   Honda builds an actual sports car (S2000) and a fun to drive compact in the Civic Si compared to nothing from Toyota. At a Honda dealership there is more variety. Period.   You don't get to be almost #1 in the world for making and selling to only a FEW sections of the market.   Yawn, same old tired punchline. Too bad it is silly to brag about being "almost #1". Really desperate.   Name a market segment, Toyota has a product in it.... MB makes crappy SUVs, barely off the dealer lot R (sucks, and plain ugly), the G is an abomination to look at, ditto the A and Smart (eeeewwwww !!!), GL/M twins are poor attempts to buy market tightly owned by Toyota, and their sedans are simply cannibals of themselves.   This is call pressure rambling because it makes no sense and is barely readable. Why are you comparing Toyota to Mercedes? Again you're so lost here you mised the point by a country mile. You keep talking about what MB builds, but yet you're harping about Toyota and their endless line of SUVs. That is what I stated at the start, ALL TOYOTA CAN DO IS SUVS and this part of your "post" proves this. Try again when Toyota or Lexus can build a real roadsters, coupes or a sports car or even a 2-door car that hints at merely being "sporty" in addition to all their dullard SUVS and sedans.   Though I must say the fact that you can ramble off some of the different models Mercedes makes that are different from one another as they are from Toyota/Lexus yawner lineup, you do prove that your original point about Toyota having so much "variation" was never, ever valid.   Sports cars ? They are too few in sales to make anyone remember them....   Now lets look at this piece of the post shall we? No let me get this straight your favorite brand Toyota is currently testing the hell out of a that LF-A around the 'Ring because the sales are to few? Does that make any sense for the know-it-all Toyota? You gotta rehearse the rhetoric before posting it. Toyota/Lexus knows all to well what I and others have been saying for years about their stick in the mud image which is whey they have at least one sports/sporty car under development.   Honda ? What do they have again ? (Civic anyone ?) Infiniti ? M, G, FX, Q ? and these are diverse in your view ?   Oac are you reading what you post? Honda does have the Civic and more importantly they have the Civic Si, something the yawning Corolla lineup can't hope to match.   Infiniti has the M and G, yep and they make the G in Coupe form also. Something Lexus is rumored to be doing with the IS, so again yes at the moment the Infiniti G lineup is more diverse. You can't see that? All you get with your IS250/350 is 4-doors, there is no choice or "variation".   Take a brochure from a Toy or Lex dealership next time and go see for yourself before you spout off nonsensical stuff... Puleaze...   Apparently you're the one that hasn't a clue about what other brands offer and would do well by stopping off at a MB/BMW/Honda/Infiniti dealership to pick up a brochure yourself.   AGAIN - TOYOTA AND LEXUS MAKES ALL BORING SEDANS/SUVS/TRUCKS AND THERE ISN'T A SINGLE SPORTY OR SPORTS CAR OR NON-WOBBLY CONVERTIBLE IN THE BUNCH! OTHER CAR MAKERS OFFER MORE VARIETY. PERIOD.   M Replies to this message: stevekilburn (Aug 10, 2006 10:38 pm) merc1 (Aug 10, 2006 11:20 pm) dewey (Aug 11, 2006 7:04 am) hpowders (Aug 11, 2006 9:19 am)
#17956 of 24700 Re: "Lexus winning..... [merc1] by stevekilburn Aug 10, 2006 (10:38 pm)
Replying to: merc1 (Aug 10, 2006 9:42 pm) Lexus makes the best SUVs and flag-ship sedans on the planet.   No ifs ands or buts, its the truth. Wake-up merc1. Your delusion is not shared by anyone except hate-mongers on this thread. You have been ranting for past 6 years on this board and what did you accomplish with your propaganda??   Nothing, absolutely nothing! Did Daimler do better? Did mercedes do better? The germans can barely conceal their hatred for LS and ground breaking IS and they are fuming and rotting with jealousy. Had they been collaborative instead of combative, harmonious instead of acrimonious, spiritual instead of hateful they would have done much better.   Despite relentless propaganda machinery unleashed by europeans through their paid minions in US and europe, they have not been able conceal the truth.   LS has triumphed against all odds. It is the best-handling and most fun to drive HELM. More reliable, more gadgets, more fuel efficient, more luxurious and more elegant. Replies to this message: merc1 (Aug 10, 2006 11:20 pm) dewey (Aug 11, 2006 7:04 am) hpowders (Aug 11, 2006 9:19 am)
#17957 of 24700 Re: Score Card for International Awards [maxhonda99] by hpowders Aug 10, 2006 (10:58 pm)
Replying to: maxhonda99 (Aug 10, 2006 6:26 pm) And if Lexus won the World Car of The Year Award, would you be questioning the credentials of the judges with such disdainful scrutiny?   NOT!
#17958 of 24700 Re: Score Card for International Awards [maxhonda99] by hpowders Aug 10, 2006 (11:08 pm)
Replying to: maxhonda99 (Aug 10, 2006 6:51 pm) Why can't you just accept that the just about perfect, dynamic and incomparable BMW 3 Series has won one of the most prestigious vehicle awards in the world from some of the most distinguished judges around.   A great day for the great "Company of Ideas". This should be celebrated as a universal holiday. Close the schools! Close the banks! Get the Detroit Lions to play football on that day!   Finally I have world-wide confirmation of what I have known for some time-the BMW 3 Series is a winner without peer!
#17959 of 24700 Re: "Lexus winning..... [stevekilburn] by merc1 Aug 10, 2006 (11:20 pm)
Replying to: stevekilburn (Aug 10, 2006 10:38 pm) Lexus makes the best SUVs and flag-ship sedans on the planet.   Rubbish. Land Rover makes a better luxury SUV and Mercedes has sedans that will wipe the floor with anything Lexus makes. A LS430 clearly wasn't the best car that money could buy, only arguably the best within a certain price range. The LS460 and LS600h will do the same, provide a strong alternative to the German iron, but the best there is, not even. That would something from Germany with 12-cylinders.   Your delusion is not shared by anyone except hate-mongers on this thread. You have been ranting for past 6 years on this board and what did you accomplish with your propaganda??   Apparently yours about Lexus pricing their cars to match Mercedes, BMW or Audi isn't either. Not trying to "accomplish" anything, only correcting some very ill-thought notions about some of these luxury car brands from those who apparently don't know much about anything besides Lexus/Toyota.   Why don't you ask yourself what you've accomplished in the time you've been here, not much of anything but making your own fellow Lexus fans tire of your nonsense.   LS has triumphed against all odds. It is the best-handling and most fun to drive HELM.   Ladies and Gentlemen may I present to you the most utterly ridiculous statement yet posted here. I thought I had read it all when I read that the 760L and S600 weren't luxury cars, but no....this about the LS takes the cake. Congratulations!   M
#17960 of 24700 "Lexus.... by hpowders Aug 11, 2006 (1:15 am)
makes the best SUVs and flag-ship sedans on the planet."   And yet the distinguished judges who issued the recent World Car Awards completely passed Lexus over. Go figure! Replies to this message: reality2 (Aug 11, 2006 8:42 am)
#17961 of 24700 Peugot 908 by dewey Aug 11, 2006 (4:45 am)
Look at this Peugeot 908 and you can see the Bangle influence around its rear end. In fact it kind of look like the new Camry.   One exciting feature about this car is its drivetrain: An Audi contending LeMans 5.5 V12 diesel engine generating 700HP and 885LBs of torque.
#17962 of 24700 Re: "Lexus winning..... [stevekilburn] by dewey Aug 11, 2006 (7:04 am)
Replying to: stevekilburn (Aug 10, 2006 10:38 pm) Lexus makes the best SUVs and flag-ship sedans on the planet.   LS has triumphed against all odds. It is the best-handling and most fun to drive HELM. More reliable, more gadgets, more fuel efficient, more luxurious and more elegant   LOL,   are you here to support Lexus ? Or are you here to ridicule the Lexus brand?

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