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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: Merc [blkhemi] by lexusguy
Aug 10, 2006 (4:00 pm)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 10, 2006 3:27 pm)

Even the mighty Bentleys platform share, with the wicked FS an extention of the GT Coupe.
 
While the GT Coupe shares with the Phaeton.
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Re: "Lexus winning..... [merc1] by oac
Aug 10, 2006 (4:23 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Aug 09, 2006 8:33 pm)

Really? Offering all sedans and SUVS is giving people variation? Not one sports car or even sporty car in the bunch and this is called variation? Nonsense. Toyota has about the most non-diverse group of buyers of any brand today! That is why they have a stick-in-the-mud image with people who don't buy Toyotas. You've got to be joking if you think Toyota offers any kind of "variation". They're the dullest, most boring mainstream brand going. Nissan and Honda are much more "diverse" and offer more "variation". Ditto for Mercedes and BMW compared to Lexus. Toyota is a lot of things, but diverse isn't one of them.
 
Merc1: These statements of yours couldn't be any more wrong. Your constant ragging on Toyota/Lexus is nothing short of plain jealousness. SUVs and sedans... What does MB, Honda, Infiniti offer comparable to Toyota ? Give me a list of the products from these companies...or forever hold your dissing tongue against Toyota.
 
You don't get to be almost #1 in the world for making and selling to only a FEW sections of the market. Name a market segment, Toyota has a product in it.... MB makes crappy SUVs, barely off the dealer lot R (sucks, and plain ugly), the G is an abomination to look at, ditto the A and Smart (eeeewwwww !!!), GL/M twins are poor attempts to buy market tightly owned by Toyota, and their sedans are simply cannibals of themselves. Sports cars ? They are too few in sales to make anyone remember them.... Honda ? What do they have again ? (Civic anyone ?) Infiniti ? M, G, FX, Q ? and these are diverse in your view ? Take a brochure from a Toy or Lex dealership next time and go see for yourself before you spout off nonsensical stuff... Puleaze...
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Re: Score Card for International Awards [hpowders] by oac
Aug 10, 2006 (4:35 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 10, 2006 6:11 am)

Take your language dictionaries to any place on this planet and ask the native folk, which is the best car in the world and more often than not, assuming they understand your question (speak slowly), the answer will come back "BMW" more often than not.
 
I wonder how many foreign trips you've ever taken, Howard... Americans are the least traveled worldwide... they'll play against other sports teams and proclaim its a "World Series" or a "World Championship" even when both teams represent only 2 states in the US.... Ridiculous.
 
FWIW, the most recognizable brand globally would most probably be Mercedes Benz... Followed closely by Toyota (Lexus is just 17 yrs in the market, since some people choose to forget)... BMW ? Huh !!! What do they offer the world car buyers ? Think everyone cares about a 3-series ??? Puleaze... Talk about Toyota... Oh YES !!! The name is GOLD. Mention a Corolla.... or a Land Cruiser... Go to Africa, Middle East, Asia, Europe, US, Australia.... Did I leave any continent out ? Get your facts right. BMW is such a small potato when we talk global, not just the developed world.
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Re: Merc [blkhemi] by oac
Aug 10, 2006 (4:49 pm)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 10, 2006 1:28 pm)

RX350= A soft-edged Highlander that is faster and simpler than it's RX400h counterpart ...
 
Which one came first ? An RX or a Highlander ??? Wanna contend that the RX was not the innovator of the car-based SUV long before a Highlander was born ? EVERY car company in the world shares platforms. Those that don't are either too low in sales volume or out of business. Seems like the anti-Lexus bias shines through your every post that has a Toyota or a Lexus in it... Tends to color your posts some...
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Re: Score Card for International Awards [oac] by hpowders
Aug 10, 2006 (4:54 pm)
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Replying to: oac (Aug 10, 2006 4:35 pm)

"BMW? Huh!!! What do they offer the world car buyers? Think everyone cares about a 3-Series?"
 
Well if Beethoven only composed his 9th symphony, he would have been considered a great composer.
If BMW had nothing else to offer but the 3 Series, they would be considered a great company.
 
You make it sound like the accomplishment of producing the 3 Series is trivial. Nothing could be further from the truth, Oac. This vehicle is a true masterpiece and it has the world-wide recognition it deserves. This is as close to perfection as it gets for $40k.
 
Hey, Oac, I would like you to check out the twin turbo 335i next month like Dewey and I plan to do.
I'm pretty sure you will have a lot of fun!
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Re: Score Card for International Awards [hpowders] by dewey
Aug 10, 2006 (6:24 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 10, 2006 4:54 pm)

Hey, Oac, I would like you to check out the twin turbo 335i next month like Dewey and I plan to do.
I'm pretty sure you will have a lot of fun!

 
Since OAC convincingly argued that BMW is not an international brand I have changed my mind and will no longer be checking out the new twin turbo from BMW
 
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Re: Score Card for International Awards [hpowders] by maxhonda99
Aug 10, 2006 (6:26 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 10, 2006 6:11 am)

"BMW: World Car of The Year
  
Audi: South African Car of The Year
  
Subaru: International Engine of The Year
  
Lexus: Uhhhh....who???"
 
Do you actually "think" before you write anything?
 
Who names BMW the "World car of the year"?? Was it some "world" body???
 
Who named Subaru's engine "International engine of the year"?? Was it some "international" body?
 
Chances are in both cases it's a few weirdo's who make themselves out to be experts coming up with these stupid things so that they themselves can make some money. It's just like the stupid auto comparison tests..just because they say one car is #1 makes it #1 for everyone? I don't think so. If you actually drove a BMW and should have brains enough to figure out what a farce a "international award of the year" award is! OR "world car of the year". Please show me who voted BMW "world car of the year". I sure as hell didn't and a whole lot of other people didn't.
 
And while we're at it, it seems hard to figure out how you ever considered buying a Lexus considering you have slammed the GS in just about every way, yet you were "supposedly" soo close to buying one! What a joke.

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