High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#17926 of 24700 Re: Merc [lexusguy] by hpowders Aug 10, 2006 (2:23 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 10, 2006 1:21 pm) "He really likes to pick on the LS to try and get "team Japan" agitated. It really doesn't work." Oh no? So why is it that when team Lexus members attempt to answer my posts, it seems like their blood pressure is at least 200/130 and their words border on the hysterical? That is, if you can filter through all the rhetoric and see if they are actually saying anything which some Club Euro-German members and I find doubtful at best. One of your Team Lexus members was so intimidated by one of my statements, he tried to attribute it to poor Dewey for fear of encountering me directly. Replies to this message: stevekilburn (Aug 10, 2006 3:18 pm) lexusguy (Aug 10, 2006 3:59 pm) merc1 (Aug 10, 2006 9:24 pm)
#17927 of 24700 platform sharing of HELMs by stevekilburn Aug 10, 2006 (3:18 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Aug 10, 2006 2:23 pm) Platform sharing is done by every automaker. Some automakers are more honest than others and their platform sharing strategy is in public domain. Examples, VW, Honda, Toyota, GM and Nissan. Some other automakers hide this information and use marketing deception and outright fraud. Their lingo is "Nothing which a customer sees, hears or touches should be common, but the rest of the platform can be shared between a 30K and a 70K model". Ford and DCX are experts in this marketing trickery. Even though Aston Martin shares all the underpinnings with Jaguar and Ford, they are passed of as platforms UNIQUE TO so and so. And insecure customers lacking in IQ and refined taste gladly spend those dynastic dollars on this deception. After all, with plenty of inherited wealth which their forefathers earned they do not know the value of money and the right way to use it. Hence the explosive sales of HELMs. Thats the difference between british playboys who are enjoying the loot of their ancestors and Bill Gates who is happy with an odd 911 or an LS 400 and focuses on creativity, knowledge and charity. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Aug 10, 2006 3:59 pm) merc1 (Aug 10, 2006 9:24 pm)
#17928 of 24700 Re: Merc [lexusguy] by blkhemi Aug 10, 2006 (3:27 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 10, 2006 1:58 pm) LG, I thought it was the Lexus set who said Acura is nothing more than an Honda with a better service department, so Acura doesn't count, does it? But you're right, this arguement is pointless as EVERYBODY platform share. Some do it more often than others, and as you put it, it saves the companies more money that in turn makes it easier to sell there cars. Even the mighty Bentleys platform share, with the wicked FS an extention of the GT Coupe. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Aug 10, 2006 4:00 pm)
#17929 of 24700 Mr.Magic by blkhemi Aug 10, 2006 (3:31 pm)
I did not go on a "I hate Lexus" spree as you'd have it. That's what you want me to do, but the players here at Team FunCar have to much poise and class for that..
#17930 of 24700 Re: platform sharing of HELMs [stevekilburn] by lexusguy Aug 10, 2006 (3:59 pm)
Replying to: stevekilburn (Aug 10, 2006 3:18 pm) Ford and DCX are experts in this marketing trickery. Even though Aston Martin shares all the underpinnings with Jaguar and Ford, they are passed of as platforms UNIQUE TO so and so. Good point there. I was very surprised when Top Gear mentioned that the Aston Martin DB7 was a Jaguar XJ-S underneath.
#17931 of 24700 Re: Merc [blkhemi] by lexusguy Aug 10, 2006 (4:00 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 10, 2006 3:27 pm) Even the mighty Bentleys platform share, with the wicked FS an extention of the GT Coupe. While the GT Coupe shares with the Phaeton.
#17932 of 24700 Re: "Lexus winning..... [merc1] by oac Aug 10, 2006 (4:23 pm)
Replying to: merc1 (Aug 09, 2006 8:33 pm) Really? Offering all sedans and SUVS is giving people variation? Not one sports car or even sporty car in the bunch and this is called variation? Nonsense. Toyota has about the most non-diverse group of buyers of any brand today! That is why they have a stick-in-the-mud image with people who don't buy Toyotas. You've got to be joking if you think Toyota offers any kind of "variation". They're the dullest, most boring mainstream brand going. Nissan and Honda are much more "diverse" and offer more "variation". Ditto for Mercedes and BMW compared to Lexus. Toyota is a lot of things, but diverse isn't one of them. Merc1: These statements of yours couldn't be any more wrong. Your constant ragging on Toyota/Lexus is nothing short of plain jealousness. SUVs and sedans... What does MB, Honda, Infiniti offer comparable to Toyota ? Give me a list of the products from these companies...or forever hold your dissing tongue against Toyota. You don't get to be almost #1 in the world for making and selling to only a FEW sections of the market. Name a market segment, Toyota has a product in it.... MB makes crappy SUVs, barely off the dealer lot R (sucks, and plain ugly), the G is an abomination to look at, ditto the A and Smart (eeeewwwww !!!), GL/M twins are poor attempts to buy market tightly owned by Toyota, and their sedans are simply cannibals of themselves. Sports cars ? They are too few in sales to make anyone remember them.... Honda ? What do they have again ? (Civic anyone ?) Infiniti ? M, G, FX, Q ? and these are diverse in your view ? Take a brochure from a Toy or Lex dealership next time and go see for yourself before you spout off nonsensical stuff... Puleaze... Replies to this message: merc1 (Aug 10, 2006 9:42 pm) stevekilburn (Aug 10, 2006 10:38 pm) merc1 (Aug 10, 2006 11:20 pm) and 2 more... dewey (Aug 11, 2006 7:04 am) hpowders (Aug 11, 2006 9:19 am) and 2 more...
#17934 of 24700 Re: Score Card for International Awards [hpowders] by oac Aug 10, 2006 (4:35 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Aug 10, 2006 6:11 am) Take your language dictionaries to any place on this planet and ask the native folk, which is the best car in the world and more often than not, assuming they understand your question (speak slowly), the answer will come back "BMW" more often than not. I wonder how many foreign trips you've ever taken, Howard... Americans are the least traveled worldwide... they'll play against other sports teams and proclaim its a "World Series" or a "World Championship" even when both teams represent only 2 states in the US.... Ridiculous. FWIW, the most recognizable brand globally would most probably be Mercedes Benz... Followed closely by Toyota (Lexus is just 17 yrs in the market, since some people choose to forget)... BMW ? Huh !!! What do they offer the world car buyers ? Think everyone cares about a 3-series ??? Puleaze... Talk about Toyota... Oh YES !!! The name is GOLD. Mention a Corolla.... or a Land Cruiser... Go to Africa, Middle East, Asia, Europe, US, Australia.... Did I leave any continent out ? Get your facts right. BMW is such a small potato when we talk global, not just the developed world. Replies to this message: hpowders (Aug 10, 2006 4:54 pm) dewey (Aug 10, 2006 6:24 pm) maxhonda99 (Aug 10, 2006 6:37 pm)