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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: Merc [lexusguy] by houdini1
Aug 10, 2006 (12:53 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 10, 2006 11:54 am)

Hmmmm....Looks like LG has come up with a fairly comprehensive list blkhemi. Who was that spouting off about Lexus being a rebadged Toyota? And what is that they say about people who live in glass houses? I think this one will leave a mark!!
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Re: Merc [lexusguy] by blkhemi
Aug 10, 2006 (1:17 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 10, 2006 11:54 am)

To be even more nitpicky, no Audi that says quattro is a true quattro. True the small ones don't have the same hardcore AWD as the bigger cars, but where do you think VW got it's "4Motion" from? That's right, Audi. Audi has been designing less complex AWD systems for about 20 years. The VW merger allowed them to use the technology on less premium marques.
 
Yes the GTI and R32 use a version of the DSG. That's not big news. But I can say that at least Audi makes this sharing less obvious than some of the Pacific brands........
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Re: Merc [houdini1] by lexusguy
Aug 10, 2006 (1:21 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Aug 10, 2006 12:53 pm)

Hmmmm....Looks like LG has come up with a fairly comprehensive list blkhemi. Who was that spouting off about Lexus being a rebadged Toyota? And what is that they say about people who live in glass houses? I think this one will leave a mark!!
 
I believe it was hpowders, he likes to pick on the LS to try and get "team Japan" agitated. It really doesn't work. The LS has a Lexus specific platform, engine, and gearbox. Just like Audi, they platform share with entry level products such as the ES and RX in order to keep costs down, ultimately benefitting the consumer.
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Re: Merc [houdini1] by blkhemi
Aug 10, 2006 (1:28 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Aug 10, 2006 12:53 pm)

Talk about leaving a mark, let's put this in perspective.
 
NO OTHER PREMIUM MARQUE CROSS-SHARES AS MUCH AS TOYOTA/LEXUS.
 
LX470= Land Cruiser, a 15 year old design.
GX470= A Toyota 4Runner that is so tall it breaks the adhesion limit quite easy.
ES350= A mere Camry, with the lesser car looking better in SE trim.
RX350= A soft-edged Highlander that is faster and simpler than it's RX400h counterpart
 
Thankfully, the tired LS platfform will be taken out in the pasture and put down. The IS250/350 is a welcome breath of fresh air, altho it will be once again looked over due to the superior new competition.
 
And the GS. Well, in a need to elaborate, the car is the worst in the company's lineup, yes even behind the hoary old LX. What is it's true purpose cause chasin' the prodigous 5-Series and A6 ain't happenin'. The car is cramped, underpowered(base version for now), underwhelming for it's intended purpose.
 
Want to leave a mark? Why has the king of all things perfect dropped the advertising for the lamest car in the class?
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Re: Merc [lexusguy] by blkhemi
Aug 10, 2006 (1:38 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 10, 2006 11:51 am)

C'mon, LG. I really like the way you converse as you're more of a moderate than a devout "Lexus is better than anything with four wheels" crowd.
 
BUT, the Supra, while a great 2+2 with a massive cult following, was not always tops. In fact, the 300ZX Twin Turbo won more comparos than any of it's competitors. And even tho the Supra was a Toyota, the Mitsu 3000GT actually had better build quality. The only low man on the todem pole was the RX. It did not pass the rigorous US emission tests, and the quality was not the best.
 
And of them all, the 3000GT VR4 Spyder actually holds it's vale better than them all. There is one around here listed for 25k, a 10 year old Japanese sports car.
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Re: Merc [blkhemi] by houdini1
Aug 10, 2006 (1:50 pm)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 10, 2006 1:28 pm)

If you share, you share. It's like being just a little bit pregnant! Next time don't ask a question unless you want an answer! I know LG's answer stung because you went into full trash Lexus mode!!
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Re: Merc [blkhemi] by lexusguy
Aug 10, 2006 (1:58 pm)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 10, 2006 1:28 pm)

NO OTHER PREMIUM MARQUE CROSS-SHARES AS MUCH AS TOYOTA/LEXUS.
 
Not true. Acura's entire line is platform shared with Honda products.
 
RL = Honda Accord
TL = Honda Accord
TSX = Accord Euro
MDX = Pilot
RDX = CR-V
 
If you ask me, getting into "who shares the most" arguments is pretty pointless. There's nothing inherently "wrong" or "evil" with platform sharing. It can be done well, (TL, ES) or poorly (Zephyr, X-type). Its up to the consumer to decide wether the premium is worth it.
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Re: Merc [blkhemi] by lexusguy
Aug 10, 2006 (2:01 pm)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 10, 2006 1:38 pm)

And of them all, the 3000GT VR4 Spyder actually holds it's vale better than them all. There is one around here listed for 25k, a 10 year old Japanese sports car.
 
Only because it was so rare (something like 700 were made in two years of production, and their original sticker was 911 CS money), and there was no comparable version of the Supra. The much more common 3000GT VR4 coupe will be worth less than a good condition Supra TT.
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Re: Merc [lexusguy] by hpowders
Aug 10, 2006 (2:23 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 10, 2006 1:21 pm)

"He really likes to pick on the LS to try and get "team Japan" agitated. It really doesn't work."
 
Oh no? So why is it that when team Lexus members attempt to answer my posts, it seems like their blood pressure is at least 200/130 and their words border on the hysterical?
 
That is, if you can filter through all the rhetoric and see if they are actually saying anything which some Club Euro-German members and I find doubtful at best.
 
One of your Team Lexus members was so intimidated by one of my statements, he tried to attribute it to poor Dewey for fear of encountering me directly.

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