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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: I [dhamilton] by houdini1
Aug 10, 2006 (11:36 am)
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Replying to: dhamilton (Aug 10, 2006 11:03 am)

Yes, certainly you could debate that if we were talking about anything really, really important. Cars, NO!! I do not know, nor do I care what they are driving in Turkey these days. And what they are driving in Turkey, France, or you name it, is not going to affect my U.S. car buying habits.
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Re: Die-hard BMW fans..... [hpowders] by designman
Aug 10, 2006 (11:47 am)
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 10, 2006 11:26 am)

The only way I get an LS is if they offer a true sport package like Toyota does with the Camry SE.
 
Don't forget the loose steering ratio on the LS which isn't going to change with a sport package. Your 545 is w-a-a-y tighter.
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Re: Merc [lexusguy] by blkhemi
Aug 10, 2006 (11:51 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 10, 2006 8:27 am)

Um, LG? What platforms does Audi share with VW?
 
A8- unique to Audi(the Phaeton is all steel, with Audi's chassis)
 
A6- unique to Audi
 
A4- unique to Audi
 
Now, I'll suffice it to say and give you credit on the A3. It is a Golf(Rabbit) derivative. But it too has been Audi fortified with quattro and 3.2L V6/DSG, none available on the Golf.
 
And the Q7: Audi designed this platform in '01 for Porsche, Audi, and VW collab. Audi designed the powertrains(except Porsche's 4.5L V8's), 4WD systems, systems, interior layouts, and suspensions.
 
I'm confused? What platforms again?
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Re: Merc [tayl0rd] by lexusguy
Aug 10, 2006 (11:51 am)
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Replying to: tayl0rd (Aug 10, 2006 9:01 am)

Nobody actually cares about the Supra, either. Outside of the handful of 800+HP dyno queens, what do you hear about the Supra? I have not ever heard anyone talk about its driving dynamics, handling, performance, etc. The only thing I ever hear about is how fast it is in a straight line... from a roll... on the freeway... at night.
 
Perhaps you are right. What I was getting at though is that the Supra is the car that people remember from the '90s Japanese sports car craze. If you look online the Turbos have held their value very well. The 300ZX and 3000GT on the other hand, worthless.
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Re: Merc [blkhemi] by lexusguy
Aug 10, 2006 (11:54 am)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 10, 2006 11:51 am)

Now, I'll suffice it to say and give you credit on the A3. It is a Golf(Rabbit) derivative. But it too has been Audi fortified with quattro and 3.2L V6/DSG, none available on the Golf.
 
You're forgetting about the TT. The old one was VW based, and so is the new one. The Q3 is also going to use a VW platform. Also, while it may say "Quattro" on the back, some of these small Audis use a Haldex clutch, borrowed from VW's "4Motion" systems. They are not "true" Torsen Audi Quattros, if you want to get nitpicky.
 
You're also forgetting the Golf GTI, which has the same DSG box as the A3.
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Re: Die-hard BMW fans..... [designman] by hpowders
Aug 10, 2006 (11:56 am)
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Replying to: designman (Aug 10, 2006 11:47 am)

The 545 is very fine.
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Re: Merc [lexusguy] by houdini1
Aug 10, 2006 (12:53 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 10, 2006 11:54 am)

Hmmmm....Looks like LG has come up with a fairly comprehensive list blkhemi. Who was that spouting off about Lexus being a rebadged Toyota? And what is that they say about people who live in glass houses? I think this one will leave a mark!!
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Re: Merc [lexusguy] by blkhemi
Aug 10, 2006 (1:17 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 10, 2006 11:54 am)

To be even more nitpicky, no Audi that says quattro is a true quattro. True the small ones don't have the same hardcore AWD as the bigger cars, but where do you think VW got it's "4Motion" from? That's right, Audi. Audi has been designing less complex AWD systems for about 20 years. The VW merger allowed them to use the technology on less premium marques.
 
Yes the GTI and R32 use a version of the DSG. That's not big news. But I can say that at least Audi makes this sharing less obvious than some of the Pacific brands........
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Re: Merc [houdini1] by lexusguy
Aug 10, 2006 (1:21 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Aug 10, 2006 12:53 pm)

Hmmmm....Looks like LG has come up with a fairly comprehensive list blkhemi. Who was that spouting off about Lexus being a rebadged Toyota? And what is that they say about people who live in glass houses? I think this one will leave a mark!!
 
I believe it was hpowders, he likes to pick on the LS to try and get "team Japan" agitated. It really doesn't work. The LS has a Lexus specific platform, engine, and gearbox. Just like Audi, they platform share with entry level products such as the ES and RX in order to keep costs down, ultimately benefitting the consumer.
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Re: Merc [houdini1] by blkhemi
Aug 10, 2006 (1:28 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Aug 10, 2006 12:53 pm)

Talk about leaving a mark, let's put this in perspective.
 
NO OTHER PREMIUM MARQUE CROSS-SHARES AS MUCH AS TOYOTA/LEXUS.
 
LX470= Land Cruiser, a 15 year old design.
GX470= A Toyota 4Runner that is so tall it breaks the adhesion limit quite easy.
ES350= A mere Camry, with the lesser car looking better in SE trim.
RX350= A soft-edged Highlander that is faster and simpler than it's RX400h counterpart
 
Thankfully, the tired LS platfform will be taken out in the pasture and put down. The IS250/350 is a welcome breath of fresh air, altho it will be once again looked over due to the superior new competition.
 
And the GS. Well, in a need to elaborate, the car is the worst in the company's lineup, yes even behind the hoary old LX. What is it's true purpose cause chasin' the prodigous 5-Series and A6 ain't happenin'. The car is cramped, underpowered(base version for now), underwhelming for it's intended purpose.
 
Want to leave a mark? Why has the king of all things perfect dropped the advertising for the lamest car in the class?

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