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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24699 messages, Last post on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: dewey (Aug 09, 2006 9:59 am) Bascially. I guess he felt left out because no one was talking about Lexus. M |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 09, 2006 10:20 am) So does it at least *seem* like Mercedes is improving? I remember MB being much lower than that in previous years for the 3-year survey? M |
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Replying to: oac (Aug 09, 2006 11:44 am) Really? Offering all sedans and SUVS is giving people variation? Not one sports car or even sporty car in the bunch and this is called variation? Nonsense. Toyota has about the most non-diverse group of buyers of any brand today! That is why they have a stick-in-the-mud image with people who don't buy Toyotas. You've got to be joking if you think Toyota offers any kind of "variation". They're the dullest, most boring mainstream brand going. Nissan and Honda are much more "diverse" and offer more "variation". Ditto for Mercedes and BMW compared to Lexus. Toyota is a lot of things, but diverse isn't one of them. M
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Replying to: maxhonda99 (Aug 09, 2006 6:16 pm) Then you don't understand the coupe or in the CLS' case, the fashion accessory market. Secondly most cars experience some type of sales drop in their second model years nowadays it seems. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that the CLS hasn't done everything that Mercedes wanted it to do and it has created a new segment that others are quickly trying to enter. You don't get any bigger endorsement than that! Take a look at the CLS compared to the E-Class and you'll see that the market for such a car compromised in the name of style is limited and not going to stay current like the sedan it is based on. Why are you so stuck on the CLS' sales here in the U.S? MB is looking at the big picture, and since the CLS rolls down the same assembly line as the E I hardly think anyone in Germany is worried about its sales slowing down. The goal last year here in the U.S. was 8K, they sold 13K. The CLS is a fashion accessory and that market booms and falls just that fast. The CLS will likely get something of a boost this year as the CLS550 and CLS63 AMG take over this month, but one look at the car and you'd know that such a car isn't going to be a big volume seller forever. Now the GS' that is mainstream car that has a problem I agree. M |
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Replying to: tagman (Aug 09, 2006 1:45 pm) And . . . it is rated better then Porsche and even Hyundai, which have been getting lots of quality kudos lately. And this for 2003, the year of the awful E-Class and SL which were brand new that year. Go figure. M
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Replying to: merc1 (Aug 09, 2006 9:00 pm) Stranger still is that Porsche's very poor showing came from Boxsters and 911s, which are supposed to be very reliable. The Cayenne won't be included until next year's VDS.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 09, 2006 9:12 pm) M |
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| I read that BMW is working on a turbo 8 cyl. that might be for the next 7 series. Does anyone think that they will also offer all wheel drive? It would seem to make sense since they now have X drive versions for each of their series: 3, 5, suv of course and now will offer the coupe in X drive. If they don't offer it in the 7, I think it's a big mistake especially if they want to combat the new S Class. By the way, I think that Lexus misses the boat on this as well with the LS. Why not offer all wheel drive on the new LS? | |
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Replying to: drfill (Aug 09, 2006 7:55 pm) one Ting and only one Ting. you have mixed me up with another poster! You are accusing me of a statement that I have not written. I do have the right to remain silent until I see my lawyer. 
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You've got to be joking if you think Toyota offers any kind of "variation". They're the dullest, most boring mainstream brand going. Nissan and Honda are much more "diverse" and offer more "variation". Ditto for Mercedes and BMW compared to Lexus. Toyota is a lot of things, but diverse isn't one of them. Have to correct you there. Even though Toyota has forgotten about the sports car market, they still make Best-selling Tacoma, have legendary truck heritage with Land Cruiser/FJ Cruiser, INNOVATIVE (Yes, I said INNOVATIVE) SUVs like the RX, they make great cars, great hybrids, and they've sold a luxury car or two through some scrub off-shoot......I forget the name of it right now. But it's doing ok. Certainly nothing to shout about.  I'm sorry making viceless cars/trucks/SUVs that do their owners bidding expertly, but doesn't bring you to a cold sweat, is such an offense.  BTW, Toyota made the Supra in 1993, and showed that they can make the best sports car in the world (yes, internationally), if they so choose to. The pot wasn't big enough at the end of the rainbow, so now we sit and mourn the loss. Don't hate us 'cause we're beautiful! DrFill
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