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24699 messages, Last post on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: maxhonda99 (Aug 09, 2006 6:16 pm) Now the S-Class itself is new and exciting and the CLS loses back some of its sales to the S as a result. The S-Class is just that good, IMO. I do not believe that the defining difference between a 4-door coupe and a 4-door sedan is important enough for most buyers. They will choose based upon overall style, features, performance and price, mostly regardless of the use or lack of use of pillars or frames. The defining characteristic of the CLS is more about the body's curved lines and the rear treatment. Nice, but when that new S-Class sits right next to it on the showroom . . . hard to resist. Porsche, on the other hand, unlike Mercedes, would not have ANY other 4-door, and thus if you are going to buy a Porsche 4-door it is going to be what it is . . . the Panamera. TagMan |
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They don't even have an international presence. Strictly a minor league sham perpetrated by Toyota on those gullible enough not to recognize a re-badged Toyota when they see one. So is the US "Minor League" now? I guess being the #1 market in the World doesn't cut it anymore. As Toyota ads say, the best New Cars make the best used cars. So I guess Lexus makes the best of the best New cars, and the Best of the best Used cars? There is no sham!  The only sham is people who resent Lexus' success, and try to tear 'em down, and sell them to others as inferior. It's hopelessly transparent, and a sure indication of a desperate and lost soul. DrFill
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Replying to: drfill (Aug 09, 2006 7:55 pm) Apparently Lexus' horrible crime is using a few parent company engines and platforms, and selling cars in the US market. Curiously unmentioned are Cadillac, Audi, Jaguar, Acura, and Infiniti, all of whom are guilty of exactly the same thing. BMW and Mercedes escape because they are the parent company. Not because they are "better" than anyone else. |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 09, 2006 8:50 am) Oh most definitely. Mercedes still opts to cheap out the Amerian produced interiors for some reason. True they're better than the first generation M, but the GL/R/ML could still be better. They simply don't have the same design and feel of the German built Mercedes models. That American supplier chain is showing. M |
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Replying to: dewey (Aug 09, 2006 9:59 am) Bascially. I guess he felt left out because no one was talking about Lexus. M |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 09, 2006 10:20 am) So does it at least *seem* like Mercedes is improving? I remember MB being much lower than that in previous years for the 3-year survey? M |
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Replying to: oac (Aug 09, 2006 11:44 am) Really? Offering all sedans and SUVS is giving people variation? Not one sports car or even sporty car in the bunch and this is called variation? Nonsense. Toyota has about the most non-diverse group of buyers of any brand today! That is why they have a stick-in-the-mud image with people who don't buy Toyotas. You've got to be joking if you think Toyota offers any kind of "variation". They're the dullest, most boring mainstream brand going. Nissan and Honda are much more "diverse" and offer more "variation". Ditto for Mercedes and BMW compared to Lexus. Toyota is a lot of things, but diverse isn't one of them. M
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Replying to: maxhonda99 (Aug 09, 2006 6:16 pm) Then you don't understand the coupe or in the CLS' case, the fashion accessory market. Secondly most cars experience some type of sales drop in their second model years nowadays it seems. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that the CLS hasn't done everything that Mercedes wanted it to do and it has created a new segment that others are quickly trying to enter. You don't get any bigger endorsement than that! Take a look at the CLS compared to the E-Class and you'll see that the market for such a car compromised in the name of style is limited and not going to stay current like the sedan it is based on. Why are you so stuck on the CLS' sales here in the U.S? MB is looking at the big picture, and since the CLS rolls down the same assembly line as the E I hardly think anyone in Germany is worried about its sales slowing down. The goal last year here in the U.S. was 8K, they sold 13K. The CLS is a fashion accessory and that market booms and falls just that fast. The CLS will likely get something of a boost this year as the CLS550 and CLS63 AMG take over this month, but one look at the car and you'd know that such a car isn't going to be a big volume seller forever. Now the GS' that is mainstream car that has a problem I agree. M |
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Replying to: tagman (Aug 09, 2006 1:45 pm) And . . . it is rated better then Porsche and even Hyundai, which have been getting lots of quality kudos lately. And this for 2003, the year of the awful E-Class and SL which were brand new that year. Go figure. M
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Replying to: merc1 (Aug 09, 2006 9:00 pm) Stranger still is that Porsche's very poor showing came from Boxsters and 911s, which are supposed to be very reliable. The Cayenne won't be included until next year's VDS.
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