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24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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So, the JDP study shows Mercedes Benz, the often accused repair shop lizard, as just a bit below average, which is certainly no nightmare as it is often portrayed. And . . . it is rated better then Porsche and even Hyundai, which have been getting lots of quality kudos lately. Even more interesting is that the average itself has improved to the point that an average vehicle is pretty darned good. Great news for Lexus, of course, but important news for Mercedes, IMO. Always nice to see Jaguar doing well. TagMan |
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| Wasn`t that test for three year old cars?? OAC, when I was your age I also went for Lexus as I think from a financial point of view they deliver...I am presently enjoying an Audi, but with the age has come caution, so don`t wait too long Tony | |
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I read the bottom portion of the test and have come away mystified: Since when has the Buick Regal, Cadillac Deville(not DTS), and Acura CL come back into production? These tests are almost always so useless. You have a paltry brand like Mercury(Ford) trailing the reliable top-dog Lexus, 3 slots ahead of the perfect Toyota? You can't tell me that you're still believing this crap... Ah, but there is one saving grace. Maybe it's all of the recall that've plagued TOYota as of late.
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Replying to: tagman (Aug 09, 2006 1:45 pm) Steve |
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 09, 2006 2:30 pm) The VDS is probably more important to used shoppers than new car buyers. If you lease for two years, who cares what the VDS results are? If, on the other hand, you're in the market for a just off lease 3 year old car, as a lot of people are, its relevant information. BMW's strong showing probably has something to do with the '03 3 and 5 series, which were both near the end of the line and much more reliable than the earlier MYs.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 09, 2006 3:40 pm) Its the other way around. Its useful for new car buyers because they can figure out how many times they will visit the dealership during next 3-4 years. Its useless for used car buyers because they want to know VDS of expired warranty cars (5-8 yrs or more) rather than 3 year olds. Steve |
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Replying to: merc1 (Aug 08, 2006 9:26 pm) Actually, it's sales have tanked big time in the US. It's not the "gotta have it factor" which meant everyone bought one last year and nobody will buy one this year. I just think the 4-door coupe concept isn't flying like Benz thought it would. It hasn't lived up to expectations like the GS, which Lexus continuously screws up! The GS is a flop because of a few factors, it is underpowered, it is not as roomy as it's main competitors. The Porsche 4-door coupe concept will probably fly because Porsche is a coupe builder and porsche is a smaller scale producer.
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Replying to: maxhonda99 (Aug 09, 2006 6:16 pm) Now the S-Class itself is new and exciting and the CLS loses back some of its sales to the S as a result. The S-Class is just that good, IMO. I do not believe that the defining difference between a 4-door coupe and a 4-door sedan is important enough for most buyers. They will choose based upon overall style, features, performance and price, mostly regardless of the use or lack of use of pillars or frames. The defining characteristic of the CLS is more about the body's curved lines and the rear treatment. Nice, but when that new S-Class sits right next to it on the showroom . . . hard to resist. Porsche, on the other hand, unlike Mercedes, would not have ANY other 4-door, and thus if you are going to buy a Porsche 4-door it is going to be what it is . . . the Panamera. TagMan |
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They don't even have an international presence. Strictly a minor league sham perpetrated by Toyota on those gullible enough not to recognize a re-badged Toyota when they see one. So is the US "Minor League" now? I guess being the #1 market in the World doesn't cut it anymore. As Toyota ads say, the best New Cars make the best used cars. So I guess Lexus makes the best of the best New cars, and the Best of the best Used cars? There is no sham!  The only sham is people who resent Lexus' success, and try to tear 'em down, and sell them to others as inferior. It's hopelessly transparent, and a sure indication of a desperate and lost soul. DrFill
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Replying to: drfill (Aug 09, 2006 7:55 pm) Apparently Lexus' horrible crime is using a few parent company engines and platforms, and selling cars in the US market. Curiously unmentioned are Cadillac, Audi, Jaguar, Acura, and Infiniti, all of whom are guilty of exactly the same thing. BMW and Mercedes escape because they are the parent company. Not because they are "better" than anyone else. |
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