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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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#17833 of 24700
Doc, about the R by tagman
Aug 08, 2006 (6:58 pm)
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So, Mercedes is darned if they do and darned if they don't?
 
The main point Doc, is that it is rarely small pocket change to introduce a new model automobile. The risks are certainly the financial investment in the vehicle and the further risk is the one we all see here . . . about the reputation, which can become diluted. In this case, I don't see major damage to the marque, as the sales and exposure are fairly minimum.
 
Why blast them so harshly for taking the risk, as though they should have known better? Do you see them as the all-knowing prophet of auto manufacturers? Risk is part of the business. Look at the Lexus SC. Maybe not quite the disaster of the R, but not all that far behind, sir.
 
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Re: Ok, let's get some Tings straight! [lexusguy] by blkhemi
Aug 08, 2006 (7:02 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 08, 2006 6:18 pm)

Actually LG, the Pacifica is loosely based on the Chrysler T&C/Dodge Caravan platform, hence it's FWD architecture.
 
The R-Class is the most shocking. It's based on the ultra-stiff M/GL chassis. And this is why all three pass easily in the Tuscaloosa, Alabama assembly line right in line with each other.
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Re: Nasty Ad War [dewey] by reality2
Aug 08, 2006 (7:07 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Aug 08, 2006 1:25 pm)

It is kind of strange for BMW to do this. A bit insecure. Also, Audi won the first World Car of the Year with the A6. So, being second is always an after thought
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Re: Audi Ad [blkhemi] by reality2
Aug 08, 2006 (7:08 pm)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 08, 2006 2:59 pm)

Thanks. I am curious how the body of the A6 is going to be tweaked to make the RS6.
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Re: The New BMW Slogan! [dewey] by nvbanker
Aug 08, 2006 (8:27 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Aug 07, 2006 6:06 pm)

Um, clearly the Bimmer has hired Bill Ford's ad agency....
 
 
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Re: Ok, let's get some Tings straight! [drfill] by merc1
Aug 08, 2006 (9:24 pm)
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Replying to: drfill (Aug 08, 2006 3:35 pm)

Mercedes took very little risk with the R-Class, as it shares a platform with Big Momma Pacifica, and they sell traditional SUVs like the GL and ML here already. There is no pressure on the R to carry the flag, if you will.
 
True it isn't much of a risk due to the shared platform, but that platform is shared with the GL and M, NOT the Pacifica. The Pacifica is built on a entirely different platform.
 
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Re: An R-type vehicle changes the character of ANY marque [maxhonda99] by merc1
Aug 08, 2006 (9:26 pm)
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Replying to: maxhonda99 (Aug 08, 2006 5:10 pm)

The CLS hasn't exactly been burning up the sales chart. Quite the opposite, it's sales are down big time this year. I don't see the 4-door coupe fad going far either.
 
You've got to learn to look at the big picture, the car sold over 50K in its first full year worldwide, that is why Porsche, BMW, Audi, Aston-Martin and even VW are rushing to do something similar. For a car as compromised in the name of style to sell that well for prices above the E-Class equals a big hit. Of course sales are going to cool down once everyone who has to have one gets one, just like the Lexus' equally drooping GS.
 
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Die-hard BMW fans..... by merc1
Aug 08, 2006 (9:37 pm)
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You had an important debut today, the new X5:
 

 

 

 

 

 

 
In Depth Article
 
I like it myself, particularly the interior. BMW has gone back to a gear shift lever, but a very trick one of course.
 
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Re: An R-type vehicle changes the character of ANY marque [tagman] by merc1
Aug 08, 2006 (11:20 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Aug 08, 2006 1:48 pm)

You know, merc, I have to give Mercedes credit for being an innovator regarding the R, even if not entirely successful. Mercedes took a pretty big risk with the R.
 
Well it seems they haven't given up on the original yet. I'm reading that for 2007 the price has been cut by 5K on both the R350 and R500 and the option packages have been shuffled around like on all other 2007 MB models. We'll have to see if this helps sales. The R320 CDI should help out a little also.
 
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MB GL Ad by dewey
Aug 09, 2006 (3:27 am)
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NAD( advertising division from the Better Business Bureau) has requested that MB remove the GL ad below because it may deceive the public on how safe a GL is. They specifically did not like the repeller scene.
 
The NAD must think the public as gullible and foolish . How can anyone take this humorous ad seriously?
 
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