High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#17408 of 24700 Re: Everybody [syswei] by tagman Aug 01, 2006 (6:15 pm)
Replying to: syswei (Aug 01, 2006 5:35 pm) OK. Yes, that's an acceptable explanation and I see your point. Now please don't miss my main point, here. You know that essentially a lot has been made out of nothing. Just look at the posts. TagMan Replies to this message: oac (Aug 01, 2006 11:37 pm)
#17409 of 24700 Actually, by blkhemi Aug 01, 2006 (6:20 pm)
They do measure two different things. But there is one thing in the AP"E"AL, and that is execution. On the very site it says that the execution "includes" structure, continuous reliability, so-on and so-on. How on God's green Earth is the execution 100% yet reliability and "ease of use" suck badly? Please do a better job of persuasion as the current montra is getting old....... Doc, you've passed your blurred(or selective, whichever works) vision off onto everyone who participates on this thread, and hence the huge Ball of Confusion. Replies to this message: ljflx (Aug 01, 2006 6:47 pm) syswei (Aug 02, 2006 3:10 am) merc1 (Aug 02, 2006 3:22 am) syswei (Aug 02, 2006 3:30 am) and 2 more... hpowders (Aug 02, 2006 4:49 am) and 5 more...
#17410 of 24700 Re: Actually, [blkhemi] by ljflx Aug 01, 2006 (6:47 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 01, 2006 6:20 pm) My gosh - you are so caught up in this thing about CR and JDP that it looks like an obsession to disprove them. Why - because they are not reporting what you want to read or what your beliefs are?? Don't waste your time trying to disprove them. They are both enormously respected and benchmarks in the auto industry and in some cases bonus and incentive plans are built around their results. For the record CR is posting the summation of what folks are saying about their car's in a survey of it's readers and JDP is a polling company with a representative sample that is reporting the result of its research. It is not their opinion - they just set the standard bars that their reports are based on. The data comes from the owners and lessors. You're trying to make this into a car rags opinion, which is always heavily biased. It's not - not even within a light year of that - It's instead the drivers of the cars that are speaking and it's pretty clear you don't like the language being spoken.
#17411 of 24700 Maybe Dieter should stop doing the commercials by ljflx Aug 01, 2006 (7:22 pm)
37% decrease in July sales. OUCH! I must say though that I find the guy so likable. But the spots aren't working. Replies to this message: merc1 (Aug 01, 2006 8:25 pm)
#17412 of 24700 Meanwhile Toyota just keeps rising by ljflx Aug 01, 2006 (7:24 pm)
Disastrous month for auto sales and they are up over 16%. http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/View?id=TYT2006080119384 Replies to this message: ew3074 (Aug 01, 2006 8:13 pm)
#17413 of 24700 Re: LS vs. S lease [oac] by merc1 Aug 01, 2006 (8:09 pm)
Replying to: oac (Aug 01, 2006 9:07 am) Merc1: IYO, what other reasons, other than cheaper price, makes the LS a best-seller in its class ? Its sterling reputation for quality and reliability. M
#17414 of 24700 Re: LS vs. S lease [ljflx] by merc1 Aug 01, 2006 (8:10 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (Aug 01, 2006 8:37 am) I'll bet that the percentage is more like 75% lease 25% buy. I don't know anyone that buys these cars anymore. The whole price structure is set up for leasing. I don't doubt that and have no figures to prove otherwise, but still...leasing doesn't apply to every single buyer and for those whom it doesn't is where price makes at least some type of difference. M Replies to this message: maxhonda99 (Aug 02, 2006 9:02 am) tagman (Aug 02, 2006 9:29 am) brightness04 (Aug 02, 2006 12:47 pm) and 2 more... merc1 (Aug 02, 2006 9:22 pm) brightness04 (Aug 02, 2006 11:37 pm) and 1 more... brightness04 (Aug 02, 2006 1:02 pm)
#17415 of 24700 Re: Meanwhile Toyota just keeps rising [ljflx] by ew3074 Aug 01, 2006 (8:13 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (Aug 01, 2006 7:24 pm) Well...so the sales tells us the fact that Toyota/lexus is still growing strong no matter how people on edmunds dislike Toyota/Lexus. Toyota/lexus, keep up the good work and fix the issues. And you will be #1 sooner or later
#17416 of 24700 Re: Report on Japan's global production [ljflx] by merc1 Aug 01, 2006 (8:18 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (Aug 01, 2006 8:41 am) There's always the dismissal of the business side here but guess what - smart business sells a lot more cars than enthusiast moves do. That isn't true LJ, the dismissal comes in when Toyota/Lexus supporters try to tell us that buyers care about these things. No one here is under the impression or illusion that smart business doesn't sell cars. The key is to satisfy both sides to a degree like Porsche or BMW does. They both make money and they push all the right buttons with car nuts, especially Porsche. There is no reason why every car company can't do this. This whole thing about "business" only gets shot down when it is implied that Toyota's way of doing things is the only way, i.e. making a ton of money but all dullard cars. There is nothing wrong with making some true enthusiast cars while turning a profit, something Toyota/Lexus folks don't seem to want to admit. M Replies to this message: oac (Aug 01, 2006 11:08 pm) merc1 (Aug 02, 2006 2:07 am)