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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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For the first time more cars were built outside of Japan than inside the country. 1.55mln "Japanese" cars now built in Europe. Watch this number grow much larger over the coming years along with car sales. There's always the dismissal of the business side here but guess what - smart business sells a lot more cars than enthusiast moves do. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/01/business/worldbusiness/01cars.html |
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Replying to: dewey (Aug 01, 2006 5:55 am) HELM cars we talk about here don't sell for $25K. So that survey was pointless and without merit, IMO... Now you say it was a spoof... So be it, but say so next time... Woulda saved the keyboard pounding 
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Replying to: merc1 (Jul 31, 2006 10:57 pm) Merc1: IYO, what other reasons, other than cheaper price, makes the LS a best-seller in its class ?
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Replying to: oac (Jul 31, 2006 9:08 pm) I really see no need to police Dewey so heavy-handed on this. We've ALL taken liberties to go beyond the strict HELM borders at times . . . you included. Sorry, but I'm not gonna slam him for this. He placed quite enough disclaimer in his post to satisfy any courtroom. Of course, I won't slam you either, oac. At least not yet. TagMan |
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Replying to: oac (Jul 31, 2006 9:21 pm) Well . . . then according to you, JDP's IQS is TOTALLY irrelevant. I don't want to see you quoting those stats EVER again, as they are now as you say, "statistically outside the realm". Gimmee a break. TM |
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Replying to: oac (Jul 31, 2006 9:21 pm) The S65 was supposed to have even more problems by 10k miles according to the two biased mags because of it's more "performance-laden" setup. Whatever. That means that every reliable Porsche 911, Box, and Cayman are supposed to break the hinges off of it's mid-mounted engine by the time it gets off of the boat ride from across the pond. And to add to Tag, now there is confusion. At first, JDP was all the rave, now the info is not trustworthy? Which is it? BTW: I did have a Japanese car that I drove 112k miles with remarkably better luck than both of the Lexus' I had. It was a '99 Q45t that I drove from LI to the City everyday only to put two sets of tires on it, 1 brake job(vs. 2 for the Lexus with only 32k miles), and new Bose speakers. Of course the usual maintenance, but that was it. And to boot, the W12 has 14k miles on it. By this time, according to the Nastrodomous of journalism, JDP and CR both say the body intergrity is supposed to degrade, the electrical system is supposed to go hay-wire, the 4WD system will go kaput, and so on. None of which have happen, and this may be the reason that more credible auto journals say that the Audi body continues to be the stiffest in class, despite the new comp... BTW: Saw a LS430(judging from the wheels, maybe an '01-'03) on a flatbed today. Since it was so dirty, I guess they were delivering it as a "gift" to someone, because it dare wouldn't be going to get service at the dealership????
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Replying to: blkhemi (Aug 01, 2006 1:02 pm) You refer to JDP and CR as "biased". Are they biased because they publish results you simply can't face? Or do you have some actual evidence that there is something less than objective going on at both places? And how do you explain the fact that JDP and CR are not alone? That studies in the UK (here) and your beloved Germany also point to the relatively better reliability of Lexus vs MB? Can you point to any well-conducted study, anywhere in the world, that shows that MB is as reliable as, or even "almost" as reliable as, Lexus? All that being said, I know that reliability isn't everything, and that different people might care about it in differing degrees. That's one reason I don't usually argue with BMW fans. They tend to like BMW for things that most people recognize Lexus lacks.
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Replying to: syswei (Aug 01, 2006 1:39 pm) This being the very company that rolled out a IQS report that showed some cars at the very bottom(LR) yet in the APEAL they miraculously appear to be at the top(10)? And please don't run me that "reliability isn't everything" gig as anyone who plops 80 large on a RR Supercharged only to have the engine blow before 10k miles is not and will not be enjoying the ride. Oh. moreover, this is also the same rag that gave the Pontiac Grand Prix the best Large Car in Initial Quality(and best factory) yet in APEAL it's a dead ringer? So I like it intially, but give me a thousand miles to think about it, I'm sure to hate it! I've never ever read(and I read a lot) anything out of Germany that'll suggest a LS to be more reliable than a MB. That's not Germany's MO. Most rags there don't mention car and LS in the same sentence. But I digress once more. The LS is more reliable on most basis(not always) than most of it's competition. I never said it wasn't. What was mentioned was the LS is not so perfect that it won't break down. It's not Zeus, the Greek God. Yes the car is mechanically sound, but infinetely reliable??? Hardly, no matter how the 114k miles got there........-
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