High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#17389 of 24700 Re: Hey PAT, (HOST) [blkhemi] by pat HOST Aug 01, 2006 (7:47 am)
Replying to: blkhemi (Jul 30, 2006 8:25 am) They are still there - the link at the top of this discussion has been changed to go to the 2007 A8 reviews. You can access reviews from earlier years, though, right there on that page.
#17390 of 24700 Re: LS vs. S lease [merc1] by ljflx Aug 01, 2006 (8:37 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Jul 31, 2006 10:57 pm) I'll bet that the percentage is more like 75% lease 25% buy. I don't know anyone that buys these cars anymore. The whole price structure is set up for leasing. Replies to this message: merc1 (Aug 01, 2006 8:10 pm) maxhonda99 (Aug 02, 2006 9:02 am) tagman (Aug 02, 2006 9:29 am) and 5 more... merc1 (Aug 02, 2006 9:22 pm) and 2 more... brightness04 (Aug 02, 2006 1:02 pm)
#17391 of 24700 Report on Japan's global production by ljflx Aug 01, 2006 (8:41 am)
For the first time more cars were built outside of Japan than inside the country. 1.55mln "Japanese" cars now built in Europe. Watch this number grow much larger over the coming years along with car sales. There's always the dismissal of the business side here but guess what - smart business sells a lot more cars than enthusiast moves do. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/01/business/worldbusiness/01cars.html Replies to this message: blkhemi (Aug 01, 2006 3:13 pm) merc1 (Aug 01, 2006 8:18 pm) oac (Aug 01, 2006 11:08 pm) merc1 (Aug 02, 2006 2:07 am)
#17392 of 24700 Re: I Read..... [dewey] by oac Aug 01, 2006 (9:04 am)
Replying to: dewey (Aug 01, 2006 5:55 am) Please dont shoot the messenger! Also take a few deep breaths before pounding your keyboard.. HELM cars we talk about here don't sell for $25K. So that survey was pointless and without merit, IMO... Now you say it was a spoof... So be it, but say so next time... Woulda saved the keyboard pounding
#17393 of 24700 Re: LS vs. S lease [merc1] by oac Aug 01, 2006 (9:07 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Jul 31, 2006 10:57 pm) No on is saying that it being cheaper is the sole reason for LS selling better, only that it plays a factor in that "50 percent" estimate... Merc1: IYO, what other reasons, other than cheaper price, makes the LS a best-seller in its class ? Replies to this message: merc1 (Aug 01, 2006 8:09 pm)
#17394 of 24700 Re: I Read..... [oac] by tagman Aug 01, 2006 (10:53 am)
Replying to: oac (Jul 31, 2006 9:08 pm) I maintain my position. Had the results of the data been different, you'd have eaten it up like candy. I said clearly that the data is pretty much useless, but it was the CONCEPT that was interesting, and I can imagine that you'd have supported it if the data gave you results that coincided with your views. I really see no need to police Dewey so heavy-handed on this. We've ALL taken liberties to go beyond the strict HELM borders at times . . . you included. Sorry, but I'm not gonna slam him for this. He placed quite enough disclaimer in his post to satisfy any courtroom. Of course, I won't slam you either, oac. At least not yet. TagMan
#17395 of 24700 Re: Everybody [oac] by tagman Aug 01, 2006 (11:00 am)
Replying to: oac (Jul 31, 2006 9:21 pm) And BlkHemi's very reliable MBs and Audis are statistically outside the realm... since he typically doesn't keep them long enough to break down much. At 10K miles, any car that doesn't hold up - be it $10K or $200K - is pure lemon ! Try 100K miles and then tell us how many cars you owned remained relatively trouble-free, then we got real statistics. Well . . . then according to you, JDP's IQS is TOTALLY irrelevant. I don't want to see you quoting those stats EVER again, as they are now as you say, "statistically outside the realm". Gimmee a break. TM
#17397 of 24700 Re: Everybody [oac] by blkhemi Aug 01, 2006 (1:02 pm)
Replying to: oac (Jul 31, 2006 9:21 pm) So elequently did you look over the '01 S500 that is really out of the "realm". At 41k miles, these cars were supposed to be headed to the shredder, according to JDP and CR, a longtime Lexus pay-off. The S65 was supposed to have even more problems by 10k miles according to the two biased mags because of it's more "performance-laden" setup. Whatever. That means that every reliable Porsche 911, Box, and Cayman are supposed to break the hinges off of it's mid-mounted engine by the time it gets off of the boat ride from across the pond. And to add to Tag, now there is confusion. At first, JDP was all the rave, now the info is not trustworthy? Which is it? BTW: I did have a Japanese car that I drove 112k miles with remarkably better luck than both of the Lexus' I had. It was a '99 Q45t that I drove from LI to the City everyday only to put two sets of tires on it, 1 brake job(vs. 2 for the Lexus with only 32k miles), and new Bose speakers. Of course the usual maintenance, but that was it. And to boot, the W12 has 14k miles on it. By this time, according to the Nastrodomous of journalism, JDP and CR both say the body intergrity is supposed to degrade, the electrical system is supposed to go hay-wire, the 4WD system will go kaput, and so on. None of which have happen, and this may be the reason that more credible auto journals say that the Audi body continues to be the stiffest in class, despite the new comp... BTW: Saw a LS430(judging from the wheels, maybe an '01-'03) on a flatbed today. Since it was so dirty, I guess they were delivering it as a "gift" to someone, because it dare wouldn't be going to get service at the dealership???? Replies to this message: syswei (Aug 01, 2006 1:39 pm) blkhemi (Aug 01, 2006 3:01 pm) syswei (Aug 01, 2006 4:23 pm) and 7 more... oac (Aug 01, 2006 11:25 pm) and 16 more...