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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

#17386 of 24700 LS vs. S lease by maxhonda99 Jul 31, 2006 (10:51 pm)
"There WILL be plenty of buyers who would rather pay $900-1000 a month for an LS, than $13-1400 a month for an S550."   Actually the cheaper LS has consistently leased for about the same price as a S430 for years, and in some years for more. Such as when the 2001 LS430 came out it's lease was over $1,200 for a median priced LS430 with $0 down, similar to what a S430 was in 2001.   And as we all know(or should know) over 50% of luxury cars are leased, so the case that the LS sells better because it's cheaper doesn't hold much water. Replies to this message: merc1 (Jul 31, 2006 10:57 pm) ljflx (Aug 01, 2006 8:37 am) merc1 (Aug 01, 2006 8:10 pm) and 11 more... oac (Aug 01, 2006 9:07 am) merc1 (Aug 01, 2006 8:09 pm)
#17387 of 24700 Re: LS vs. S lease [maxhonda99] by merc1 Jul 31, 2006 (10:57 pm)
Replying to: maxhonda99 (Jul 31, 2006 10:51 pm) And as we all know(or should know) over 50% of luxury cars are leased, so the case that the LS sells better because it's cheaper doesn't hold much water.   It most certainly does "hold water" if that other 50 percent (per you) still buys instead of leasing. No on is saying that it being cheaper is the sole reason for LS selling better, only that it plays a factor in that "50 percent" estimate. A good deal of folks (right here on these boards) still "buy" cars vs leasing them.   M Replies to this message: ljflx (Aug 01, 2006 8:37 am) merc1 (Aug 01, 2006 8:10 pm) maxhonda99 (Aug 02, 2006 9:02 am) and 9 more... brightness04 (Aug 02, 2006 1:02 pm) oac (Aug 01, 2006 9:07 am) merc1 (Aug 01, 2006 8:09 pm)
#17388 of 24700 Re: I Read..... [tagman] by dewey Aug 01, 2006 (5:55 am)
Replying to: tagman (Jul 31, 2006 8:13 pm) Thanks Tagman.   Now for Mr. OAC who made the following comment: CEOs driving $25K cars in America, the land of corporate greed, and capitalism run amock, and you defend the person who posted such drivel !!!   Please dont shoot the messenger! Also take a few deep breaths before pounding your keyboard.   Brightness04 comment: How does this in any way or shape relate to the likelihood of a buyer of Lexus LS600HL would consider a Prius as replacement?   I was spoofing a spoof made by LJ many weeks ago. If you choose to take my post seriously regarding Hybrid LS owners flocking to Priuses then so be it.   I am not saying another word about this matter until I get some Legal Counsel. GaryH where are you? Oops I think Gary only defends Lexicans? Replies to this message: oac (Aug 01, 2006 9:04 am)
#17389 of 24700 Re: Hey PAT, (HOST) [blkhemi] by pat HOST Aug 01, 2006 (7:47 am)
Replying to: blkhemi (Jul 30, 2006 8:25 am) They are still there - the link at the top of this discussion has been changed to go to the 2007 A8 reviews. You can access reviews from earlier years, though, right there on that page.
#17390 of 24700 Re: LS vs. S lease [merc1] by ljflx Aug 01, 2006 (8:37 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Jul 31, 2006 10:57 pm) I'll bet that the percentage is more like 75% lease 25% buy. I don't know anyone that buys these cars anymore. The whole price structure is set up for leasing. Replies to this message: merc1 (Aug 01, 2006 8:10 pm) maxhonda99 (Aug 02, 2006 9:02 am) tagman (Aug 02, 2006 9:29 am) and 5 more... merc1 (Aug 02, 2006 9:22 pm) and 2 more... brightness04 (Aug 02, 2006 1:02 pm)
#17391 of 24700 Report on Japan's global production by ljflx Aug 01, 2006 (8:41 am)
For the first time more cars were built outside of Japan than inside the country. 1.55mln "Japanese" cars now built in Europe. Watch this number grow much larger over the coming years along with car sales. There's always the dismissal of the business side here but guess what - smart business sells a lot more cars than enthusiast moves do.   http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/01/business/worldbusiness/01cars.html Replies to this message: blkhemi (Aug 01, 2006 3:13 pm) merc1 (Aug 01, 2006 8:18 pm) oac (Aug 01, 2006 11:08 pm) merc1 (Aug 02, 2006 2:07 am)
#17392 of 24700 Re: I Read..... [dewey] by oac Aug 01, 2006 (9:04 am)
Replying to: dewey (Aug 01, 2006 5:55 am) Please dont shoot the messenger! Also take a few deep breaths before pounding your keyboard..   HELM cars we talk about here don't sell for $25K. So that survey was pointless and without merit, IMO... Now you say it was a spoof... So be it, but say so next time... Woulda saved the keyboard pounding
#17393 of 24700 Re: LS vs. S lease [merc1] by oac Aug 01, 2006 (9:07 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Jul 31, 2006 10:57 pm) No on is saying that it being cheaper is the sole reason for LS selling better, only that it plays a factor in that "50 percent" estimate...   Merc1: IYO, what other reasons, other than cheaper price, makes the LS a best-seller in its class ? Replies to this message: merc1 (Aug 01, 2006 8:09 pm)
#17394 of 24700 Re: I Read..... [oac] by tagman Aug 01, 2006 (10:53 am)
Replying to: oac (Jul 31, 2006 9:08 pm) I maintain my position. Had the results of the data been different, you'd have eaten it up like candy. I said clearly that the data is pretty much useless, but it was the CONCEPT that was interesting, and I can imagine that you'd have supported it if the data gave you results that coincided with your views.   I really see no need to police Dewey so heavy-handed on this. We've ALL taken liberties to go beyond the strict HELM borders at times . . . you included.   Sorry, but I'm not gonna slam him for this. He placed quite enough disclaimer in his post to satisfy any courtroom.   Of course, I won't slam you either, oac. At least not yet.   TagMan
#17395 of 24700 Re: Everybody [oac] by tagman Aug 01, 2006 (11:00 am)
Replying to: oac (Jul 31, 2006 9:21 pm) And BlkHemi's very reliable MBs and Audis are statistically outside the realm... since he typically doesn't keep them long enough to break down much. At 10K miles, any car that doesn't hold up - be it $10K or $200K - is pure lemon ! Try 100K miles and then tell us how many cars you owned remained relatively trouble-free, then we got real statistics.   Well . . . then according to you, JDP's IQS is TOTALLY irrelevant. I don't want to see you quoting those stats EVER again, as they are now as you say, "statistically outside the realm".   Gimmee a break.   TM

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