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24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jul 31, 2006 6:08 am) Well said, LG. Isn't it simply funny to read of examples of less than stellar LS430s and the Germancarfans conclude LS must be unreliable ! Its called statistics, guys.... I didn't hear anyone grumble about my 8yo LS400 with 114K miles and narry a problem. Does that not qualify as a statistical sample ? And BlkHemi's very reliable MBs and Audis are statistically outside the realm... since he typically doesn't keep them long enough to break down much. At 10K miles, any car that doesn't hold up - be it $10K or $200K - is pure lemon ! Try 100K miles and then tell us how many cars you owned remained relatively trouble-free, then we got real statistics.
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Replying to: dewey (Jul 31, 2006 5:29 pm) How does this in any way or shape relate to the likelihood of a buyer of Lexus LS600HL would consider a Prius as replacement? Your own data purported to establish that CEO's and luxury car buyers are _not_ correlated. So why bother bringing self-claimed CEO's in here at all? regardless bona fides or fraudsters or just someone eeking out a living like most of us? LS, S and 7 make up for less than 2% of the car market, that factoid does not however suggest that a current owner of LS, S or 7 would have 98% chance of buying an Accord/Camry or something like that as replacement; CEO or not is quite irrelevent.
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Replying to: drfill (Jul 31, 2006 3:53 am) Nah it doesn't because sales and more sales is part of the Lexus mantra and the IS300 never sold well relative to its competitors and it was a total outcast among traditional Lexus buyers. The car was a Toyota in drag, nothing more. You're still using sales one minute (SC430) to defend a comparo laggard, but you'll use comparos the next (IS300) to defend a sales laggard. Sales and more sales are what Lexus fans harp about more than anything else so if doesn't at least sell decently it ain't worth mentioning in Lexusland. YES, I SAID IT! The S-Class will not sell 3k a month in 2007. It'll fall to 1500-2000 a month when the new LS changes the market direction this October. Oh I don't doubt this at all, I wouldn't say 1500 units, but 2K yes. There are only so many buyers for a car that starts at 90K. Now MB will at least attempt to counter with the low-priced S450 at some point. There WILL be plenty of buyers who would rather pay $900-1000 a month for an LS, than $13-1400 a month for an S550. And there are plenty who can't (or won't) make that jump either which is what the LS depends on for a great many of it's sales, a cheaper price! M |
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Replying to: ljflx (Jul 31, 2006 8:20 am) Well yeah some correction was needed, but yeah in the last 5 years they haven't grown as much as everyone else, this is true. This year however looks to be quite an improvement over the incremental gains from 2000-2005, but like you said before (which I agree with amazingly!) we'll have to see if they can sustain the pace. The new C-Class can't get here soon enough! M |
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"There WILL be plenty of buyers who would rather pay $900-1000 a month for an LS, than $13-1400 a month for an S550." Actually the cheaper LS has consistently leased for about the same price as a S430 for years, and in some years for more. Such as when the 2001 LS430 came out it's lease was over $1,200 for a median priced LS430 with $0 down, similar to what a S430 was in 2001. And as we all know(or should know) over 50% of luxury cars are leased, so the case that the LS sells better because it's cheaper doesn't hold much water.
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Replying to: maxhonda99 (Jul 31, 2006 10:51 pm) It most certainly does "hold water" if that other 50 percent (per you) still buys instead of leasing. No on is saying that it being cheaper is the sole reason for LS selling better, only that it plays a factor in that "50 percent" estimate. A good deal of folks (right here on these boards) still "buy" cars vs leasing them. M |
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Replying to: tagman (Jul 31, 2006 8:13 pm) Now for Mr. OAC who made the following comment: CEOs driving $25K cars in America, the land of corporate greed, and capitalism run amock, and you defend the person who posted such drivel !!! Please dont shoot the messenger! Also take a few deep breaths before pounding your keyboard. Brightness04 comment: How does this in any way or shape relate to the likelihood of a buyer of Lexus LS600HL would consider a Prius as replacement? I was spoofing a spoof made by LJ many weeks ago. If you choose to take my post seriously regarding Hybrid LS owners flocking to Priuses then so be it. I am not saying another word about this matter until I get some Legal Counsel. GaryH where are you? Oops I think Gary only defends Lexicans? 
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Replying to: blkhemi (Jul 30, 2006 8:25 am) 
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Replying to: merc1 (Jul 31, 2006 10:57 pm)
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For the first time more cars were built outside of Japan than inside the country. 1.55mln "Japanese" cars now built in Europe. Watch this number grow much larger over the coming years along with car sales. There's always the dismissal of the business side here but guess what - smart business sells a lot more cars than enthusiast moves do. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/01/business/worldbusiness/01cars.html |
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