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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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No one said anything about the abolishment or demise of Lexus. Lexus is here to stay and we all know this. Re-read the post and you'll understand that all was said was that Lexus is not immune from deficiency. You can't make this into one of your Team Lexus shouting matches. Talking about something that should've never came across the Pacific, the laughable ES250(circa 1990) and the previous-gen IS300 was an inert attempt by Lexus to encroach on the market by offering mal-performing cars at cheap prices. Witness the GS, a car that went from '98 to '04 without a single major update(besides a upgrade from 400 GS430). The new GS needs: A new engine, a touter suspension, and styling revisions already? This from the makers of PERFECTION? Paaleeeesssseeeee. Appalling to say the least. Lexus even admits that it had to do this in order to stay competitive(or lack thereof) with the E/5/A6. Still, if it had to be Japanese, the M35/45 walks on it all day long...
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Ask a BMW 330i owner trying to chase down an IS350  DrFill
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Regarding your post, you back this Pit into a corner, he gonna bite!  Had enough of your commentary recently. C&D said last year that the GS430 is better than an E500 and 528! And the last IS did very well, behind only the G35 and 328i in "11 Sports Sedans" back in 2002. With a VDIM-off switch, new for '07, and a Manual tranny, the IS350 it is better than a 330i. The M45 can be a great driver, but the GS is easily better-looking. Inside and out. And with 303HP, the GS350 will go forward and multiply! DrFill
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Replying to: dewey (Jul 29, 2006 7:06 am)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Jul 30, 2006 2:01 pm) Even that supposed subject of derision was better than its primary competition: 318i/318ic/318ti/190e, etc.. |
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Replying to: drfill (Jul 30, 2006 1:27 pm) PERFECTION: It isn't. I've had Lexus Link failures twice now, and the universal joint knuckle in the telescoping steering wheel had to be replaced. Not horrible, to be sure, but honestly, I've had Lincolns that gave me less trouble than this in 2 years of ownership. PERFORMANCE: Uh....it's alright, but it could use more low end power for sure. You kind of have to kick it around the city to stay up with traffic. Or get a wheelchair sign for the mirror or something. DESIGN: The seat is clearly the WORST design I've ever sat my fat American ass in. It's as flat as a board (the seat that is), no lateral bolster support at all. It's hard, and it's hard to get it comfortable. The car is short on legroom for Americans too, if you give yourself enough legroom, you're reaching for the Steering Wheel, even adjusted all the way out. The interior design is bordering on elegant, but not attractive by any means, and the outside says "my last car was a Grand Marquis", it's so old fashioned. I hope some of these issues are addressed in the next line. The outside looks much better, hope the inside is too. I don't mind a couple of repairs now and then, but if she becomes a hanger queen, she's out of here. May as well get a Jag and enjoy the style, if I have to fix it.
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Replying to: drfill (Jul 30, 2006 2:32 pm) BTW: That acceleration run that Lexus has over the 330 will be brief as the 330i will receive the 330iC's 310hp I-6 for '07. I hope that manual tranny is a good one that Lexus has found.... |
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Replying to: drfill (Jul 30, 2006 2:40 pm) So now it takes the V8 version to unseat the 6-cyl 5-Series? Doc, let's get more competitive and try it against the perinnial 550i, then we can talk And more over, last year doesn't count. That same publication that you're quoting must've really thought about giving the GS that honor as they just said the E550 is the best all-arounder in it's class. So much for last year.... The GS better looking that the M? Purely subjective, albeit there are more than a few people who'd think otherwise on this very thread. The GS350 has not been tested yet, so that assumption is out of the window. But I don't think the bloated GS will out-run the cheetah-like new 295hp M. |
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Replying to: nvbanker (Jul 30, 2006 4:25 pm) Banker, you've experienced what a many people have gone through. In the pursuit of perfection and precision, Lexus completely dropped the ball in some critical areas, and judging from the rush job of the supposed 5-Series beating GS, they're still not even close to the mark of perfection. Reliability can only go so far; Porsche sell more reliable cars than Lexus does on a whole. The Buick Lucerne receives the same exact marks in projected reliability as the Lexus. I think the Buick precision commercials are actually paying off.... |
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Replying to: nvbanker (Jul 30, 2006 4:25 pm) You basically summarized my Lexus experience. My 2002 LS430 had the same steering issue and had the rain sensor replaced three times. My 1998 LS400 suffered from electronic gremlins that caused it to stall and the cluster to flicker. The 2005 was mechanically sound but suffered from the worst paint I've seen in a long time. I've never seen paint chip and scratch that easily. It was really irritating to see new scratches on it every time I polished it. I barely drove the car 7,000 miles and there were chips and scratches in the clearcoat all over the car. (Especially the bumper area) That was one of the biggest reasons for getting a S Class with Nanotech paint. It's amazing. I accidently clipped a dump truck with the side mirror of my S430. I saw the mirror fly off the car and was resigned to spending $600 or more to get a new one. Much to my surprise the mirror was laying on the side of the street undamaged. There was a slight scratch in the paint and it snapped right back on the car..I couldn't believe my good luck. Good engineering on Mercedes' part. I don't foster any illusions about my S430. I fully expect this car to break. As long as it's under warranty I don't mind. If it breaks, I have an excuse to drive my LS400. Or I can steal the Corolla from my son. A word about the Corolla. I am very surprised with the build quality of this car. It rattles like crazy and the CD player doesn't work when the weather gets hot. The tires spin even in the slightest of rain..It's quite dangerous, especially when on a hill.. Seems like Toyota's build quality is slipping a little bit. I'm pretty sure the Lexus models should be fine. My only worry is the increasing technical complexity of these cars are going to cause problems. Ask Airbus how much trouble you can have with electronics! Nv, I echo your feelings on a Jag..I'm still eyeing for for next year. The only problem is I have no room to store it in my house..Time to buy a garage! -Sam |
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