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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jul 29, 2006 5:47 pm)  TagMan |
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I spent the day yesterday with my wife and another couple who invited us up to Napa for an event at the Silver Oak Winery for a special release of one of their wines. It was a gorgeous drive, with the gals in the back seat and guys up front. He was doing the driving in his fairly new Infiniti M45. Of course, with me in the vehicle we were going to be talking cars sooner or later. I asked him about the Mercedes vehicles he previously owned and why he switched. He had owned the M-class suv and the small C-class with the V-6. Apparently, the C-class had 32 visits to the shop in about a year and a half. As he described the situation, just about everything imaginable had gone wrong with his cars . . . some of the situations being dangerous, with regards to the brake failure in the M and electrical meltdown in the C. He said the sunroof dislodged itself somehow in the M, and he was kindly describing all the horrible stuff that he and his wife had endured. The surprising thing is that he still loves Mercedes, but he won't buy one again until he knows that they are more reliable. He said that he doesn't need the most reliable cars, just "reliable enough". He had a very balanced view of reliability, and was most patient with his unfortunate circumstances in his Mercedes vehicles. As a Mercedes fan, I was sad, but I knew that those were not typical situations, but it left me shaking my head. The Infiniti has not given him any troubles to date, and BTW, it was a very comfortable ride, and the interior was very well appointed, and tastefully designed for a car in that price tier. There were many well-thought out amenities and my respect for the marque has increased from this experience. I have not lost my love for the Mercedes marque, but the truth is a good thing and it does place the perspective of reliability a bit more in focus for me. BTW, I had the pleasure of meeting the owner of the winery and his son, amongst other interesting peple, including former Raiders Gene Upshaw, who happened to be there and signed my glass. Because of my association with my friend, who handles some of the winery's investment banking, I was allowed to purchase some of that delicious wine at a special price . . . so I did so. It was a beautiful day. Good thing I wasn't the designated driver! TagMan
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The debates that have come about on this thread makes those old Swift-Boat ads seem tame... So I've compiled a ballad of campaigns for the following sets to win the honors of '06: Team Lexus: LG, OAC, the good Doc, ljflx, and few others slogans follows as such: We, the people of unprecedented quality, perfection, and luxury hold these truths to be self-evident, that all people should have the chance to own the most reliable car in it's class. While the styling may not be as bold as some of our constituents, but as we say in Washington, we're working on that: We urge you to give us your vote in fall of '06..... Team Europe: myself BH, Merc1, hp, tag, dewey, and some others, we say: We, the people of unmatched balance of ride comfort and performance(BMW), impeccable fit/finish(Audi), world-class presence and innovation(MB), heritage and stately classic styling(Jag), we hold these truths to be self-evident, that the people of this great country shall no longer be bogged down with transportation that is boring, unsatifying, and dull. The Great people of this country will have the honor to choose(not be forced) what car suits their needs. Team Europe: The people of Choices. This Novemeber will not have squat on what's going(and already happening) to take place in the HELM marketplace...
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Replying to: blkhemi (Jul 30, 2006 7:38 am)  BTW, Team Europe will continue to win regardless of the count. According to the Doc, Bush is on our side . . . and he wins elections, regardless of the votes . . . or his reliability.  TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Jul 30, 2006 7:34 am) You're absolutely right. Take my previous '01 S500. This was pre-'03 refresh, the very model that CR calls "the worst buy in the last decade". Well, the only problem I had was the usual COMAND failure that everyone experienced and one HID bulb. 41,000 miles of everyday driving and that was it. No ABC/Air-suspension failures, A/C problems, no electrical grimlins(much unlike my '98 LS400), noda.. And to my '05 S65 AMG. Two new rear tires was all the maintenance it required for 10,000 miles of onwership. Of course the usual oil/lube and other MB/AMG stuff, but nothing out of the scheduled maintenance. And the tires were due to my over-zealous driving habits. So many people jump the gun about MB's and Bimmers being hugely unreliable. Take for instance Porsche. 10 years ago, it was thought to be nothing more than a weekend toy because of what people assumed to be unreliable. Now it's the most reliable company in the biz, hands down.... Despite it's many sophisticated electronic devices, trick suspension, AWD, complicated powertrain, and precious construction, I have not had not one issue with my A8L W12. Yes it's very German, but very reliable, not something I can say about the two Japanese LS400's I've owned, but again, case by case experience. Not all are complete lemons just like not all will be as reliable as advertised.....
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Replying to: blkhemi (Jul 30, 2006 8:12 am) IMO, Audi is just out of the gate in its ascension. Audi will be one of the more exciting German marks to watch over the next few years and decade. TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Jul 30, 2006 8:02 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Jul 30, 2006 8:20 am) |
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Replying to: blkhemi (Jul 30, 2006 8:21 am) How is it that Lexus can have reliability issues and yet they slide off like Teflon? TagMan
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What in the world happen to all of the Audi A8 consumer ratings??
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