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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: oac (Jul 18, 2006 9:23 pm) I think because it looks a lot like it did in 1995. Perhaps because people hated the "modern" '90-94 looks, they were scared to be too daring, and they ended up doing basically a nip\tuck to a 9-year-old car. Look at the S550 vs. the 500, or the 750i vs the 740i. The German designers said black is white, up is down, we're going to change everything and set the bar for state-of-the-art, both inside and out. Jag went to all the trouble of making a brand new platform, which happens about once a century at Jaguar, and then put a fresh coat of paint on the old body, and sent it out the door. New Jag:  Old Jag: 
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Replying to: dewey (Jul 18, 2006 12:08 pm) "I dont know if they exist in Europe but a diesel Mini sounds real tempting to me." Yeah, they exist. May be they will cross the ocean some day. Jose |
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Replying to: ljflx (Jul 18, 2006 7:12 pm) If the car's trunk space comes in similar to an IS / 3-series / C-Class...which is what I predict...we'll see how many of those 5 buddies' minds get changed, even if the price comes in at the low end of what you posit. For myself, accustomed to SUV-type cargo space (we have been a 2-SUV, zero-sedan family since 2000) I have a serious problem with the trunk space issue. I do think the car will sell in numbers greater than any of the V12 Germans, though. Possibly greater than all of them added together.
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Replying to: syswei (Jul 19, 2006 2:29 am) Yeah I think so too, especially if they price it at 100K or less, when a S600 is 40K more and the 760Li almost 20K more. What are the specs for the LS460's trunk space? M
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Replying to: merc1 (Jul 19, 2006 2:34 am) Haven't seen anything released yet. If the GS is anything to go by, 5 cu ft will be lost with the LS600 vs LS460. |
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Replying to: syswei (Jul 19, 2006 2:29 am) Your assumption being that the hybrid LS will sell at significantly lower prices than V12 German cars. It is far too early for us to debate hybrid LS sales results when there are no official hybrid LS sales results to debate about . But what is debatable is the potential success of luxury hybrids. IMO hybrids and luxury mix as well as oil and water. The reason I say this is because luxury has to be exclusive and rare. A LS seat massager and electronic parking assistance are exclusive features not offered in current Toyota models. In the future these Lexus luxuries will trickle down to more humble Toyota models. Hybrid technology trickles in the opposite direction. Hybrid technology trickles first from lower humble models like the Prius and ends up later in expensive models like the hybrid LS. Can you imagine what will happen to hybrid LS resale values when a new and significantly improved 100mpg Prius is introduced in two years? The 2009 Prius will make the hybrid LS appear as obsolete as a 386 PC. Luxury hybrids will be a disappointment until new hybrid technolologies are first introduced in HELM models. |
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First off, the car's initial run will be astonishing, especially in light of it's American and European competition not offering any similar models as of now(albeit don't count out MBZ, a stallwart for surprises). However, for the long-term standings, as with any car, it loses steam. And with this being a specialty car, it will lose it even faster. With the Europeans undoubtly focusing on diesel-hybrid technology and with some diesels(ie: Bluetec and TDI) on the market now that offers remarkably better gas mileage and about the same smoothness without the hybrids gripes(ie: trunk space and unknown longevity for exp.-altho pre-'04 Priuses are still running strong) is some indication that the LS has it work cut out for it. And it doesn't have nuch of a calling card except for the L on it's nose. Not much in power(430 is not a lot in light of 500/600-hp MB's. Projected fuel economy ratings not impressive. Some technology, altho not breakthrough(I do think is the first AWD sedan hybrid, tho.) But it has one trump card that Lexus has played since '89: PRICE. With a projected start around $95k, it shouldn't be a tuff sell at all.......
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The link below indicates that BMW diesels will sell here in about two years! I will trade in my BMW 530xi Touring for a 535D any day.I hope a 535D will exist on our shores. link title |
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Replying to: blkhemi (Jul 19, 2006 9:25 am) If that is the case then the GS450H would sell like hotcakes. The GS450H is not exactly a hot seller despite having no competition. |
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Replying to: dewey (Jul 19, 2006 12:01 pm)
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