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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
Jun 21, 2006 (1:39 pm)
"the C&D comparo started with a disclaimer that the LS is not the type of vehicle usually reviewed by the magazine, to me means take the finding with a huge grain of salt.
I have never seen any auto mag. issue such a disclaimer for any of the thousands of vehicles tested over the last 30 years."
Should I call that a lie, or just "poetic license? Or do you just need to look up the meaning of the word "disclaimer"?
The comparison itself doesn't start with any quote of the kind! When they get to the leader, the champion, simply the best car there, they said:
"If you just walked up and asked, we'd say this is not a C&D sort of car."
That's quite a bit different than this not a car the magazine would usually review.
An accurate interpretation of that direct quote would be the LS is not a car that feels the need to flount power, handling, performance tires, and an extroverted personna to drive in a performance oriented consumer, which is the type of person that C&D caters the magazine to.
This only emphasizes the excellence of the LS, winning when all of the odds are against it!
Do you think they wanted to pick the LS430 #1 (again)?
You seem to imply that the LS isn't good enough to be mentioned with the other vehicles it defeated, or is not worthy of spending time with.
I don't care if C&D reviews it once a generation!
If the results are the same (it hands Mercedes it's head, again, as it did in 2000), it's like a heavyweight champion coming out of retirement just for the sheer joy of beating the next Pretender to the Throne.
As far as C&D has reported, a better luxury car has not been made, this side of Maybach, since 1990.
Now back to your regularly scheduled misinformation.
#16671 of 24726 Re: Actually ... [pat]
Jun 21, 2006 (1:39 pm)
Sorry, Pat... Will try to keep it on-topic.
#16672 of 24726 Re: Hpowders [drfill]
Jun 21, 2006 (2:11 pm)
drfill - please see the post just prior to yours ...
Jun 21, 2006 (2:22 pm)
I guess the last sentence was crossing the line.
#16675 of 24726 Re: Pat [drfill]
Jun 21, 2006 (2:26 pm)
The first couple of paragraphs aren't particularly productive either.
Can we just get back to the cars and stop sniping at each other? Please?
Jun 21, 2006 (2:30 pm)
Sorry, just the error was eggregious. All in the pursuit of truth.
I needed fast, effective relief, on contact.
#16677 of 24726 The Truth As You See It... Or.... Once Upon A Time...
Jun 21, 2006 (2:42 pm)
Doesn't matter if it appeared as a disclaimer at the beginning, several paragraphs later or at the very end. It is a qualification that I have never seen before or since for any vehicle.
Why did they feel the need to state that the LS is not "a C&D sort of car?" Sure sounds the same to me as a car that C&D wouldn't normally review.
#16678 of 24726 Re: This is like abbott and costello [designman]
Jun 21, 2006 (3:14 pm)
Like I said previously, you can talk Lexus and the LS to its strong points, but trying to slip performance in there just isnít going to work. The 745 won that comparo on performance.
What would you prefer ? A car winning outright or winning in a segment ? Why not give the LS its due props for showing up along with the big dogs from Germany, and besting them in that comparo ? Seems fair to me... If the S or Audi or 7-series had won that comparo we won't hear the end of it, but since its the LS, you don't want to hear it, and rather dismiss it, or explain it away as something less than factual... Just not the kind of viewpoint I'd expect from the many intelligentsias we have on this board...
Jun 21, 2006 (3:23 pm)
that it's great for the LS to win a comparo. It shows that it is indeed a truly great car. However, I would look at reviews [if that is all that counts to some] in a broader text. For instance, over the course of say the last 5 years, what is the general concensous of the automotive journalists and say, public opinion?
A few posts ago a poster called top? said that he felt the build quality of the A8 was behind everyone else. This is fine for an opinion and everyone is welcome to their's. Once again I might look at a broader history of what was, and is being said on the subject before coming to conclusions.
I wouldn't discount the LS on it's merits, reliability, resale, cushy ride. These are great thing's if that is what you are after. I think going on one review when history has shown the opposite is a little short sighted, and rushing to judgment. But everyone to his opinion and all.