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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

#16407 of 24685 Re: A very interesting and timely article! [merc1] by lexusguy Jun 15, 2006 (1:14 pm)
Replying to: merc1 (Jun 14, 2006 10:25 pm) The "premium" brands of BMW, Porsche, Audi and Mercedes-Benz, and for the time being Range Rover and Volvo, are superior to mere luxury cars like Lexus, Infiniti, Cadillac, Jaguar, and Rolls Royce   Ok, there are some MAJOR problems with that sentence. I'll give the author BMW, Porsche, and Mercedes. Audi and Range Rover, maybe. But Volvo?? Are you kidding me? Who in their right mind thinks Volvo is a "premium" brand, above Jaguar and Rolls Royce!?   They go on to imply that Volvo is above Aston Martin and Maserati as well. Aston Martin and Maserati have heritage in spades, both as manufacturers and from their racing programs. How many Le Mans wins does Volvo have? Replies to this message: tagman (Jun 15, 2006 1:33 pm) ljflx (Jun 15, 2006 1:34 pm) tagman (Jun 15, 2006 1:44 pm) stevekilburn (Jun 15, 2006 1:49 pm) lexusguy (Jun 15, 2006 8:33 pm) merc1 (Jun 15, 2006 8:59 pm)
#16408 of 24685 Re: I [dhamilton] by ljflx Jun 15, 2006 (1:30 pm)
Replying to: dhamilton (Jun 15, 2006 10:41 am) You've got to be kidding me. Get real. Replies to this message: dhamilton (Jun 15, 2006 1:45 pm) ljflx (Jun 15, 2006 1:46 pm)
#16409 of 24685 Re: A very interesting and timely article! [lexusguy] by tagman Jun 15, 2006 (1:33 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jun 15, 2006 1:14 pm) I'll give the author BMW, Porsche, and Mercedes. Audi and Range Rover, maybe. But Volvo?? Are you kidding me? Who in their right mind thinks Volvo is a "premium" brand, above Jaguar and Rolls Royce!?   Exactly . . . no one in their right mind would think that. I agree with you.    They go on to imply that Volvo is above Aston Martin and Maserati as well. Aston Martin and Maserati have heritage in spades, both as manufacturers and from their racing programs. How many Le Mans wins does Volvo have?   I agree once again. There is a serious difference in the heritage of those vehicles, and I'm glad to see you recognize heritage as a relevant attribute . . . as we are all aware of which HELM has NONE.   TagMan
#16410 of 24685 Re: A very interesting and timely article! [lexusguy] by ljflx Jun 15, 2006 (1:34 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jun 15, 2006 1:14 pm) That sentence discreditted the whole article but his incredible partisan standing was clear anyway. Reading that article was like being at Yankee Stadium in a series with the Red Sox - you know who the crowd is rooting for. The writer thinks we are still in the 1980's and is completely lost. Replies to this message: tagman (Jun 15, 2006 1:44 pm)
#16411 of 24685 blkhemi and Audi by anthonyp Jun 15, 2006 (1:40 pm)
Well it is nice to see that you have represented Audi to the extent that others now also mention it, even when they have no first hand experience...As a fact, at this time in my ownership experience with Lexus Mercedes BMW and Audi I have had no problem with the Audi whereas I had at least one important problem with each of the other brands...Further all of the mentioned cars are a bit different in different ways but all in all very nice and certainly on the top line of anyone`s list --possibly exceping a few posters on this forum... Please keep up the good representation ..Tony
#16412 of 24685 Inspector Parrot by hpowders Jun 15, 2006 (1:41 pm)
Well apparently in Europe, "heritage, heritage, heritage" means everything, which explains why the great German HELMS-MB, BMW and Audi are absolutely crushing Lexus across the pond.   I don't hate Lexus. I look forward to driving a new LS in the Fall to see if its handling has improved a bit.   It will be quite tough for Lexus to break in over there, however, because of the great, proud tradition of fantastic performance-oriented vehicles that Europeans have grown accustomed to expect.   Steve-come on now-wouldn't you really rather have a Buick? Replies to this message: ljflx (Jun 15, 2006 1:45 pm) hpowders (Jun 15, 2006 1:50 pm) reality2 (Jun 15, 2006 5:51 pm) reality2 (Jun 15, 2006 6:00 pm) hpowders (Jun 16, 2006 3:49 am) tagman (Jun 15, 2006 1:46 pm)
#16413 of 24685 Re: Ticket windows are now open. [designman] by tagman Jun 15, 2006 (1:41 pm)
Replying to: designman (Jun 15, 2006 11:11 am) Tagman, that post of yours was in-your-face candid. Me thinks we are on the verge of the 110th MB vs Lexus Super Bowl. I don’t recall you ever being the starting QB in one of these.   No . . . I'm not the man for the job. Because I don't hate Lexus the way it might appear sometimes. It's well known that I have a huge respect for them, particularly the upcoming LS.   But, admittedly, I can't stand it when I see Lexus fans taking undeserved heaping helpings of credit and denying Mercedes it's rightful kudos.   That's really all it is.       TagMan
#16414 of 24685 Re: A very interesting and timely article! [ljflx] by tagman Jun 15, 2006 (1:44 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (Jun 15, 2006 1:34 pm) That sentence discreditted the whole article   No it didn't. That's too extreme. There were many interesting and valid perspectives. Disagree with one, and you don't have to discredit the entire thing.   TagMan
#16415 of 24685 Re: Inspector Parrot [hpowders] by ljflx Jun 15, 2006 (1:45 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Jun 15, 2006 1:41 pm) When Lexus gets serious about Europe we'll see how well that heritage argument holds up. Till now Europe as been double AA ball but that will change. Ten years from now it will be a different story and Lexus will have hurt someone there. You can bet your life on that. Replies to this message: hpowders (Jun 15, 2006 1:50 pm) reality2 (Jun 15, 2006 5:51 pm) reality2 (Jun 15, 2006 6:00 pm) hpowders (Jun 16, 2006 3:49 am)
#16416 of 24685 Re: I [ljflx] by dhamilton Jun 15, 2006 (1:45 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (Jun 15, 2006 1:30 pm) could you expound on that please Replies to this message: ljflx (Jun 15, 2006 1:46 pm)

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