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24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: oac (Jun 15, 2006 11:32 am) Regarding your #1 in sales thing in AMERICA only, don't forget that the Ford F-150 is AMERICA's favorite vehicle. S-Class is the Heavyweight Champion of the WORLD in sales for this category we are all discussing. All things considered, I'd have to say that the LS price is still a big reason to pick the LS, but the S-Class is so much more car, IMO. TagMan |
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Replying to: tagman (Jun 15, 2006 10:41 am) Luxury - To me this a toss up. Technological enhancements - Also a toss up. Safety - Not sure, but I'll give it to MB. Personally, I think they are about equal. Reliability - Lexus Style - MB Environmental concerns - I think Lexus is the winner here. Fuel economy - I did not mention this above, but Lexus is the winner here I believe. Thus, seeing it point by point, it is a close call, but I would give the nod to the LS. I don't see a clear cut winner in my opinion. It depends on which of the points are considered more important than others. Now if you throw in the price tag, there is no longer any question. The main reason I responded so strongly above is due to this stuff about history and heritage. I don't think that matters at all. It is a matter of "what have you done for me lately". I do believe that with the new generation of LS in a few months, Lexus will be a clear cut winner since the above points will go more in the favor of the LS (especially the LS600HL).
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Replying to: oac (Jun 15, 2006 11:32 am) But I advise you not to raise this issue again with him on LS. When it comes to Lexus he is almost always irrational and uses most baseless and uninformed arguments. The wise among us know these people who keep parroting "heritage, heritage, heritage"... like a never ending puppet. I say china and India have a 5000 yr heritage. Does any one give a sh** when buying products from these countries. |
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Replying to: oac (Jun 15, 2006 11:32 am) You obviously made it more of a slam dunk for the LS as the winner than I did. You are obviously much more familiar with the idiosyncrasies and features than I am. Since I was not sure about the electronic problems on the MB, I did not bring that up with TagMan. Also, perhaps that goes along with the general title of reliability. "Thank you for your support"! |
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Replying to: merc1 (Jun 14, 2006 10:25 pm) Ok, there are some MAJOR problems with that sentence. I'll give the author BMW, Porsche, and Mercedes. Audi and Range Rover, maybe. But Volvo?? Are you kidding me? Who in their right mind thinks Volvo is a "premium" brand, above Jaguar and Rolls Royce!? They go on to imply that Volvo is above Aston Martin and Maserati as well. Aston Martin and Maserati have heritage in spades, both as manufacturers and from their racing programs. How many Le Mans wins does Volvo have? |
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Replying to: dhamilton (Jun 15, 2006 10:41 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jun 15, 2006 1:14 pm) Exactly . . . no one in their right mind would think that. I agree with you. They go on to imply that Volvo is above Aston Martin and Maserati as well. Aston Martin and Maserati have heritage in spades, both as manufacturers and from their racing programs. How many Le Mans wins does Volvo have? I agree once again. There is a serious difference in the heritage of those vehicles, and I'm glad to see you recognize heritage as a relevant attribute . . . as we are all aware of which HELM has NONE. TagMan |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jun 15, 2006 1:14 pm)
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| Well it is nice to see that you have represented Audi to the extent that others now also mention it, even when they have no first hand experience...As a fact, at this time in my ownership experience with Lexus Mercedes BMW and Audi I have had no problem with the Audi whereas I had at least one important problem with each of the other brands...Further all of the mentioned cars are a bit different in different ways but all in all very nice and certainly on the top line of anyone`s list --possibly exceping a few posters on this forum... Please keep up the good representation ..Tony | |
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Well apparently in Europe, "heritage, heritage, heritage" means everything, which explains why the great German HELMS-MB, BMW and Audi are absolutely crushing Lexus across the pond. I don't hate Lexus. I look forward to driving a new LS in the Fall to see if its handling has improved a bit. It will be quite tough for Lexus to break in over there, however, because of the great, proud tradition of fantastic performance-oriented vehicles that Europeans have grown accustomed to expect. Steve-come on now-wouldn't you really rather have a Buick? |
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