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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24698 messages, Last post on Nov 30, 2009 at 1:20 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: tagman (May 30, 2006 1:05 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (May 29, 2006 6:24 pm) There is not one BMW product which stands upto all the hype. The recent comparison Video posted, b/w A8, 7 and S clearly showed that with BMW its all talk and lousy action. The video decisively debunked the MYTH of BMW handling.
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Replying to: stevekilburn (May 30, 2006 5:50 pm)
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With the huge expansion in the number of families with total assets (real estate plus liquid) exceeding 5,000,000 and approaching 10,000,000 I'm surprised that there isn't more discussion here of the Bentley Contintental GT and the Flying Spur. Heck there isn't even a Bentley board. I see a decent number of these cars in the Northeast and probably a lot of people who are looking at a new S Class could swing a Bentley. Based on a superficial look at the ads in the WSJ used Continental GTs are still fairly close to MSRP so someone is buying them. One of my neighbors with an older Bentley quotes Jeremy Clarkson as saying that a "Flying Spur is simply a VW Phaeton in a custom suit". While that might be the case, it is a bespoke suit, the twin turbos cranking out 550 or so of HP do the suit justice, and the AWD will get you home from the office no matter how late you work on a February night. |
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Replying to: lexusguy (May 30, 2006 2:13 pm) I was actually in to look at the SL and the GL. I am still impressed by the HP improvement in the newer 550 engine over the 500 it replaces. My local dealer was trying hard to make quite a deal on the '06 SL500, and it's no wonder with the '07 SL550 offering so many more ponies. TagMan |
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Replying to: reality2 (May 30, 2006 6:30 pm) I like the 7-series but I am partial to BMW. Most buyers here want to bathe in luxo-barges with rich Titanic-like interiors. This has never been what BMW is about. Many posters here care more for air-freshioned vibrating seats than the Ultimate Driving Experience. BMW is out of its element here. Since it loses all the HELM comparos, I believe the 7 has become a useless vehicle in the BMW stable-call it the BMW's Lexus GS. BMW should stick to where they dominate: the 3, 5 and incomparable M's. I am looking forward to driving the LS 460 this Fall to see if I notice an improvement in the vehicle's handling. I wish they would get rid of that cursed gated shifter too.
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You seem to be developing a fetish for Lexus-bashing, with noticable signs of delusion and/or misrepresentations! If the 7 is "useless" because of it's mediocre standings in competitive comparisons, what would that make the E-Class, or A6, or 5-series? They were all beaten by the Lexus GS in C&D's last comparison of this class. The Lexus GS record is comparisons is rather impressive, and it will only get better when the new engines get here in less than 6 months. So let's concentrate on bashing one model at a time, since you seem to get mixed-up when you try to go "Two-for-Tuesday". DrFill
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Replying to: hpowders (May 30, 2006 11:33 pm) As a premier German manufacturer, it makes very good sense to offer an upper tier sedan like the 7. From a pure business standpoint it is important, but from the perspective of pure performance vs. luxury pampering, I think that the 7 accomplishes more than you are giving it credit for. Certainly if Mercedes did not introduce the new S, folks would be saying that MB is asleep at the switch, and if Lexus were not introducing the new LS460, folks would also be saying that Lexus is not keeping up with the competition. But . . . there is in fact a new S and a new LS is forthcoming . . . both remarkably improved vehicles. So as time goes, the 7 will ultimately find the sweet spot in its quest for the best combination of performance and luxury. For some, it already provides that, but you know very well what BMW is truly capable of and you expect more from them. Perhaps you remember a number of months ago, I asked the question on the forum which cars deliver the best combination of performance and luxury in a single vehicle. It was an interesting discussion, because they (performance and luxury) are often opposing forces. If my memory serves me, lexusguy suggested the Quattroporte as the best combination. Frankly, I think BMW is in a better position than most to ultimately combine performance and luxury in a single vehicle . . . and the 7 series may one day prove to be such a vehicle. I vote to keep it and let it continue to evolve over a long, healthy, and hopefully improving, life. Not too surprisingly, I know a number of guys who love their 7's (but what do they know?  ) Never give up on BMW! Even if you do buy a Lexus.  TagMan |
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