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Re: diesel-hybrids and Audi LeMans [tagman]
by foster1
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May 30, 2006 (6:49 am)
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Replying to: tagman (May 27, 2006 12:16 pm)
Hi, I agree that the new Audi grills look funny. When I bought my 2005 Audi A8, I was very pleased that it didn't have the funny big grill--but now the newest version has it also. Too bad, because otherwise Audis seems very sharply and cohesively styled, the best of the German cars. (Although I say this in the context of the Germans generally being clueless on styling, and it being really funny when the Asians COPY them!)
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Re: diesel-hybrids and Audi LeMans [foster1]
by tagman
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May 30, 2006 (8:16 am)
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Replying to: foster1 (May 30, 2006 6:49 am)
I say this in the context of the Germans generally being clueless on styling
How's this for German styling that is far from "clueless":
The MB SL, MB CLS, MB S, Porsche Boxster, Porsche 911, Porsche Cayman, BMW 3-Series, BMW Cabriolets, ETC., ETC., and there are MANY that other posters would add to this short list.
Yes there are some concerns that show up periodically, but that is more the result of being in the FOREFRONT of design INNOVATION. It comes with the territory.
"Clueless" just doesn't apply here at all, IMO.
TagMan
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You Wanna See....
by hpowders
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May 30, 2006 (8:19 am)
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a nice Audi Grille- forget about the A8 and check out the new Q7.
Absolutely striking from the front, IMO.
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Re: diesel-hybrids and Audi LeMans [tagman]
by oac
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May 30, 2006 (10:25 am)
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Replying to: tagman (May 30, 2006 8:16 am)
Personally, I don't like the banana-shaped CLS... Feel its kinda constraining on rear passengers, IMO. The e90 3-series is too sedate for my liking... Seems BMW in trying NOT to Bangle it made it such that it won't be that polarizing. Yes, the 5 or 7 may not have all the love in the world on styling, they were at least edgy and different, and that is a good thing from the humdrum of styles these days. The SL, new S and any Porsche are all extremely beautiful cars...so you got my votes on these.
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Re: diesel-hybrids and Audi LeMans [oac]
by tagman
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May 30, 2006 (1:05 pm)
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Replying to: oac (May 30, 2006 10:25 am)
OAC - Admittedly, I'm also not as huge a fan of the CLS styling as some others, including merc1. But my post was to counter the remark that the Germans were somehow "clueless" regarding their design. Whether or not you and I like the CLS, it is quite innovative and striking, IMO, and shows that the German styling is alive and well. We sure do agree about the Porsches, though, as well as the new S and the legendary SL. I also think your point about the 3-series makes good sense.
TagMan
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Re: diesel-hybrids and Audi LeMans [tagman]
by lexusguy
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May 30, 2006 (2:13 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (May 30, 2006 1:05 pm)
The CLS is one of those cars that you really have to see in person. It looks 1000% better up close than it does in pictures.
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BMW 7 AND Harley,Its all image, thats all
by stevekilburn
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May 30, 2006 (5:50 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (May 29, 2006 6:24 pm)
BMWs have always been about image and brilliant propoganda. High on image and painfully short on substance.
There is not one BMW product which stands upto all the hype. The recent comparison Video posted, b/w A8, 7 and S clearly showed that with BMW its all talk and lousy action.
The video decisively debunked the MYTH of BMW handling.
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Re: BMW 7 AND Harley,Its all image, thats all [stevekilburn]
by reality2
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May 30, 2006 (6:30 pm)
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Replying to: stevekilburn (May 30, 2006 5:50 pm)
Totally correct analysis. BMWs are all about hype and perception. They are a disappointment in terms of substance when compared to Audi and Mercedes-Benz. The 7-Series, like mentioned earlier, gets knocked about in the majority of world-wide comparisions when it goes up against the A8L, S-Class, the LS, and even the XJ. The 7-Series is due for a remake around '09 when the new A8 arrives so that will be interesting. Wonder if there any moles snooping around Inglostadt and Munich? The new S-Class wins because of all its gizmos, not necessarily a good thing. MB has to be careful as the S-Class is starting to gain an image of "overdone" and "overwraught." It's pretentious image will turn into one of crassness as the S-Class is beginning to look borish and arrogant (generally a BMW trait). The previous S-Class was more subtle and that made it elegant. Now it seems that MB has gone the way of Munich and has over-engineered and overstyled the car (just look at those fenders). It lacks a certain elegance in person. But the bigger the phalic symbol, the more attention I guess. Not real measure of achievement if that is what you are trying to show the world.
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