High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#15852 of 24700 Maserati Warranty Policies by blckislandguy May 29, 2006 (6:39 pm)
FWIW, I was told recently that one of the UAG (Penske's operation) dealerships gave up their Maserati franchise because Maser just wasn't stepping up to the plate on warranty issues. They claimed that they were indeed selling the car in significant numbers but just weren't going to stand for the CSI beating they were taking. Lending credence to this, Maserati USA has not appointed anyone new in this territory. If true, this is not how to rebuild a troubled brand.
#15853 of 24700 Re: hpowders [feverhart] by oac May 29, 2006 (7:56 pm)
Replying to: feverhart (May 29, 2006 1:12 pm) Nice one, feverhart... If the LS460 drives like its on rails, luxuried-up like a Maybach, rides like a Maser, and is as reliable as your favorite couch, these naysayers won't touch it, except look for ways to bash it. So why bother ! Does it matter that the LS is the #1 luxury full-size sedan in the US 5 years running (the S550 will take that crown for this year tho')... Oh, isn't the 750 on its second re-do in 5 years ? Yet it barely registers on the richter scale of buyers. FWIW, its gonna be the elites of the HELM class battling it out - the S550/S600 and the LS-series of sedans. Tough, but Audi really should be in the mix, but its just too tepid in sales here in the NA market. But I guess we'll see soon enough, won't we ?
#15854 of 24700 Re: Oac: belated response [designman] by oac May 29, 2006 (9:06 pm)
Replying to: designman (May 26, 2006 4:49 am) Oac, if you were wowed by a 330 with SP, driving a Porsche is wow cubed, whether it's a Boxster or 911. Warning: stay away from these cars. Thanks for the warning, Designman.... Someday in a not too distant future, I'll be looking to buy a car of this type since they do really fit my driving style; of course you won't know it based on the cars we have at home, for now. Just gonna wait for the kids to exit the home before I get to address that other need for a driver's car for moi. Bridging the then-and-now will be a replacement of my '99 LS400 either this fall or early spring of '07 when the frenzy around the LS460 subsides somewhat.
#15855 of 24700 Re: hpowders [hpowders] by lexusguy May 30, 2006 (12:39 am)
Replying to: hpowders (May 29, 2006 6:24 pm) As an indulgent digression: come on C&D. How long must we wait for a 2007 Camry SE 6 vs Accord EX 6 comparo? I'm sure C&D wont do another family sedan test until the new Altima and new Accord are ready to compete, so its probably going to be awhile. My guess is that the Camry would win against the current Accord. Replies to this message: hpowders (May 30, 2006 3:29 am) pat (May 30, 2006 5:47 am)
#15856 of 24700 Re: hpowders [lexusguy] by hpowders May 30, 2006 (3:29 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (May 30, 2006 12:39 am) And don't forget the Sonata. Another serious competitor. Folks are learning what it is like to be the first kid on the block with a re-designed Camry. A new thread has arisen recently: "2007 Toyota Camry Woes." It has 125 posts already. Of course, problems may arise with any new model, even (this will be hard) BMW's. Replies to this message: pat (May 30, 2006 5:47 am)
#15857 of 24700 Re: hpowders [hpowders] by pat HOST May 30, 2006 (5:47 am)
Replying to: hpowders (May 30, 2006 3:29 am) We have some sort of "issues" discussion for all vehicles that draw a substantial number of posters here. And as we move to the more granular format of our future, that will tend to increase, not decrease. It has nothing to do with the cars themeselves, just the Forums trying to give folks what they've been requesting. Camrys, Altimas, Accords, Sonatas - other Forums discussions - none of this has thing in the world to do with HELMs.
#15858 of 24700 Re: diesel-hybrids and Audi LeMans [tagman] by foster1 May 30, 2006 (6:49 am)
Replying to: tagman (May 27, 2006 12:16 pm) Hi, I agree that the new Audi grills look funny. When I bought my 2005 Audi A8, I was very pleased that it didn't have the funny big grill--but now the newest version has it also. Too bad, because otherwise Audis seems very sharply and cohesively styled, the best of the German cars. (Although I say this in the context of the Germans generally being clueless on styling, and it being really funny when the Asians COPY them!) Replies to this message: tagman (May 30, 2006 8:16 am) oac (May 30, 2006 10:25 am) tagman (May 30, 2006 1:05 pm) and 2 more...
#15859 of 24700 Re: diesel-hybrids and Audi LeMans [foster1] by tagman May 30, 2006 (8:16 am)
Replying to: foster1 (May 30, 2006 6:49 am) I say this in the context of the Germans generally being clueless on styling How's this for German styling that is far from "clueless": The MB SL, MB CLS, MB S, Porsche Boxster, Porsche 911, Porsche Cayman, BMW 3-Series, BMW Cabriolets, ETC., ETC., and there are MANY that other posters would add to this short list. Yes there are some concerns that show up periodically, but that is more the result of being in the FOREFRONT of design INNOVATION. It comes with the territory. "Clueless" just doesn't apply here at all, IMO. TagMan Replies to this message: oac (May 30, 2006 10:25 am) tagman (May 30, 2006 1:05 pm) lexusguy (May 30, 2006 2:13 pm) and 1 more...
#15860 of 24700 You Wanna See.... by hpowders May 30, 2006 (8:19 am)
a nice Audi Grille- forget about the A8 and check out the new Q7. Absolutely striking from the front, IMO.
#15861 of 24700 Re: diesel-hybrids and Audi LeMans [tagman] by oac May 30, 2006 (10:25 am)
Replying to: tagman (May 30, 2006 8:16 am) Personally, I don't like the banana-shaped CLS... Feel its kinda constraining on rear passengers, IMO. The e90 3-series is too sedate for my liking... Seems BMW in trying NOT to Bangle it made it such that it won't be that polarizing. Yes, the 5 or 7 may not have all the love in the world on styling, they were at least edgy and different, and that is a good thing from the humdrum of styles these days. The SL, new S and any Porsche are all extremely beautiful cars...so you got my votes on these. Replies to this message: tagman (May 30, 2006 1:05 pm) lexusguy (May 30, 2006 2:13 pm) tagman (May 30, 2006 9:23 pm)