High End Luxury Cars

24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#15840 of 24697 Re: diesel-hybrids and Audi LeMans [tagman] by blkhemi May 27, 2006 (6:16 pm)
Replying to: tagman (May 27, 2006 12:16 pm) Yes the latest gen Jetta's and Golf's have adopted the look also. But it is to a lesser extent. The Jetta's face isn't so wide-mouthed as an A4 for instance. VW and Audi will tell you that the grilles are more of a need than a want. They said that it was easy to convert to the new Euro pedestrian safety measurements and also give teh cars a "face-lift" at the same time. All of the cars would prabably look good with the grille if it wasn't dressed in 40lbs of bling-chrome. Body-colored w/ black mesh(as on the Jetta GLI and Golf GTI) grilles look very good on these cars. Strangely enough, the V-Dubs have more chrome than the Audis. My W-12 has a thin strip of chrome around the grille and also where the front license plate(mid section of the grille) goes which is good enough.
#15841 of 24697 New A8 vs 7 vs S video by lexusguy May 28, 2006 (4:10 am)
Interesting comparison test. I don't think any of the major US publications has done a comparison test with the new S yet, right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLbdK3S37sw&eurl= Replies to this message: blkhemi (May 28, 2006 1:41 pm) hpowders (May 28, 2006 3:50 pm) designman (Jun 01, 2006 5:57 am) hpowders (Jun 01, 2006 7:42 am)
#15842 of 24697 Re: New A8 vs 7 vs S video [lexusguy] by blkhemi May 28, 2006 (1:41 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (May 28, 2006 4:10 am) Very interesting video. The BMW trails both for handling? The Audi the most unsafe and the better handler of the 3? And the new Mercedes interior is better than Audi? For sure this must've been a biased comparo. It is nice to see how the 6-cylinder versions of these cars operate. BTW: All of these cars must have Euro-spec suspension as the narrator said they all rode quite firm. I know the home market models have firmer suspensions than the America-bound models as I've driven all three cars and found them quite supple, even the sportiest of the model offerings(A8 Sport, 760i Sport, and the S65 AMG)
#15843 of 24697 Re: New A8 vs 7 vs S video [lexusguy] by hpowders May 28, 2006 (3:50 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (May 28, 2006 4:10 am) Great video. Thanks. While I'm sure the new LS will be a significant improvement over its predecessor, it is doubtful that it will equal, let alone surpass the MB S-Class. I would be perfectly comfortable with BMW pulling out of the HELM sedan category where it is clearly over-matched and concentrate on what it does best: the 3-series, the 5-series and the M's. Just saw MI-3. Heartbreaking how they blew up that breathtaking Lambo! Replies to this message: designman (Jun 01, 2006 5:57 am) hpowders (Jun 01, 2006 7:42 am)
#15844 of 24697 Re: ON DIESEL, hybrids and ethanol [stevekilburn] by houdini1 May 29, 2006 (4:32 am)
Replying to: stevekilburn (May 25, 2006 7:38 pm) Thanks for clearing that up for me Steve. NOW it makes sense.
#15846 of 24697 hpowders by feverhart May 29, 2006 (1:12 pm)
As the saying goes, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder", and perhaps so is substance. From my point of view and to take some liberty in paraphrasing you, I'm sure the new LS will be a significant improvement over its predecessor, it is doubtLESS that it will more than equal, and surpass the MB S-Class. OK, you have it; couldn't let this go unchallenged. We'll just have to wait to see. It is nice to have your thoughtful input. Replies to this message: hpowders (May 29, 2006 6:24 pm) lexusguy (May 30, 2006 12:39 am) hpowders (May 30, 2006 3:29 am) and 1 more... stevekilburn (May 30, 2006 5:50 pm) reality2 (May 30, 2006 6:30 pm) and 16 more... oac (May 29, 2006 7:56 pm)
#15847 of 24697 Good job, Fever! by drfill May 29, 2006 (4:24 pm)
Way to come correct! The LS has nothing to fear in the S-Class, and has proven a more than worthy adversary before. All eyez on Lexus. It's time to take the gloves off! Playtime is over! The Germans wouldn't be so smug. They've learned a lesson. DrFill
#15848 of 24697 Re: diesel-hybrids and Audi LeMans [blkhemi] by reality2 May 29, 2006 (5:41 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (May 27, 2006 5:59 am) Would love to hear about the super-luxury variant more if you have additional information or where to go. I've heard that Audi has been planning a higher HELM above the A8L W-12 (which is pretty high already at around $140,000 loaded) in the near future, but thought it was only conjecture. Great read by the way - your post. Replies to this message: blkhemi (May 29, 2006 6:29 pm)
#15849 of 24697 Re: hpowders [feverhart] by hpowders May 29, 2006 (6:24 pm)
Replying to: feverhart (May 29, 2006 1:12 pm) Well, to be fair, I have only seen the one comparo that Lexusguy provided. The S350 beat out the A8 and BMW 7 Series (no surprise here; BMW never wins the HELM comparos) offering the best in performance and luxury. The LS may compete with MB in the latter, but, not the former, IMO. We'll just have to wait for a head to head comparo in the American press of the A8, BMW 7 series, LS460 and MB S-Class. Hopefully, in the Fall. As an indulgent digression: come on C&D. How long must we wait for a 2007 Camry SE 6 vs Accord EX 6 comparo? Replies to this message: lexusguy (May 30, 2006 12:39 am) hpowders (May 30, 2006 3:29 am) pat (May 30, 2006 5:47 am) stevekilburn (May 30, 2006 5:50 pm) reality2 (May 30, 2006 6:30 pm) hpowders (May 30, 2006 11:33 pm) and 15 more...