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You are in the Sedans
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Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#15825 of 24726 Re: Diesel, ethanol over hybrids [blkhemi]
May 25, 2006 (9:42 pm)
Merc: I read in Autocar last week that Mercedes is fiddling with the possibility of a S600 diesel. I wonder if this is the surprise that they've promised since it's release? DCX has reportedly given the green light to Chrysler to let their end of the business use the Bluetec 3.2L CDI. Good news indeed.
I'm not sure. I just remember seeing some type of model introduction sheet for the W221 and it included a S600 CDI. I think I posted a copy of it in the Future Mercedes thread a while ago.
I don't think we'll see a S350 this time around, but I said that back in 1999 and look what happened in 2006! I think this time though we'll see the S320 CDI take the entry-level postion, but the S model you left out is the hybrid. Mercedes has of course shown both a gas/electric hybrid and a diesel/electric hybrid, I think we'll get the gas/electric and Europe the diesel/electric. That would be brilliant IMO.
#15827 of 24726 Re: Observations on the neverending LS pricing discussion [merc1]
May 26, 2006 (4:41 am)
Oh my gawd! Do you see what the "re-sellers" want for tickets to the Idols tour concerts?
Should be mostly HELM's in the parking lot, I reckon!
#15828 of 24726 Re: Clarkson's best and worst of '06 [lexusguy]
May 26, 2006 (4:44 am)
Since BMW made an extremely good showing with the incomparable M5 and M6, I am of course very !
Well, time to load the family in the ol' estate car; go to the bank; make a large withdrawal and fill 'er up with petrol.
#15829 of 24726 Oac: belated response
May 26, 2006 (4:49 am)
I am often at 90mph without even knowing it.
Hmm, 90 in a Matrix. In that case maybe you are better off not having a BMW or sports car because the “without even knowing it” factor spikes, plus the little devil on one’s shoulder is inclined to go to work.
Yes, I admit, I am lead-footed. Got to be out here, as you dang know very well Designman. You must be as well, I suppose, with a Boxter and a 530i... if you are not, I'd be shocked !!
Let’s put it this way, you can’t leave a dog alone with a steak and not expect him to eat it. I could tell you a couple of long stories but will keep it short. I got stopped for speeding twice in the past two years, once in each car. Luckily I have only a traffic sign violation on my license to show for it. Lately I have been on my best behavior because the ticket I got with the Boxster was a knuckle biter and fortunately it tempered the desire. I’ve been thinking of getting a V1 but am worried it could provoke. The answer for me is to get to a track, you know, take the dog to the park and let him run.
Oac, if you were wowed by a 330 with SP, driving a Porsche is wow cubed, whether it's a Boxster or 911. Warning: stay away from these cars.
#15830 of 24726 BMW roadmap
May 26, 2006 (6:10 pm)
I assume the years are calendar.
May 26, 2006 (6:27 pm)
Let's take a look at something that I found interesting in today's Boston Globe:
Lexus: Parent Company-Toyota
Mercedes: Parent Company-DCX
Audi: Parent Company-Volkswagen AG
Jag: Parent Company- Ford (PAG)
Volvo: Parent Company- Ford (PAG)
And just for kicks and laughs--- Caddy: Parent Company- GM(vergening bankrupt, delinquent, counter-productive....etc)
So BMW has it all to itself. Could this be the under-lying reason for it's continued astonishing sales performance and the enviable M models and the ever present and popular 3-Series? Or could it be the reasoning for such bad business decisions as the destroying the Ultimate Driving HELM(7-Series) style, even as far as hiring Bangle?
I must admit that a company that doesn't have to answer to anybody and the company run correctly is the envy of all car companies. The reasoning for posting this message is this: ALL car companies can learn a thing or two from BMW, and now Toyota for that matter. Up until '02, the company was hugely cautious about what product it put out(save for the James Bond-esque Z8). Then the polarizing 7 took the world by storm(for good or bad), and the company has taken the huge gamble that has ultimately paid off big time. And at the rate they're going, it doesn't seem likely that there will be a take-over anytime soon.
#15832 of 24726 Re: BMW roadmap [syswei]
May 26, 2006 (6:32 pm)
What an interesting map year. I didn't know the 7 was coming out next year, and the Z8 is being renewed? Cool. The map is spot on with the X5 and 3-Series convertible. So it's possible that it's correct.
#15833 of 24726 Re: diesel-hybrids and Audi LeMans [stevekilburn]
May 26, 2006 (7:01 pm)
Latest reports state that the next generation A8 will have a V12 Diesel and a base V10 FSI. The next A8 will be released in 2009 and is increasing in size and complexity as is the trend. Should continue the A8s evolution as a great luxury tourer.
#15834 of 24726 Re: diesel-hybrids and Audi LeMans [reality2]
May 27, 2006 (5:59 am)
There are two conflicting reports surrounding the new engines to be placed in the new for '09 A8. One report says that Ingolstadt has scrapped the V-12 racing-derived diesel in lieu of the easier to maintain V-10 TDI. Then there is one that says that they'll use a variant of the racing diesel in the next A8.
Yes the next A8 will move up even more in size(which is definetely not lacking now), and will prove to be one of the most sophisticated cars in it's class. There's even talks of a super-high luxury variant to push the envelope to 200k. Surely this will be a super-low volume model, but it will have the goodies to back it up, mainly the 600-hp plus twin-turbo FSI V-10. Audi is still the only manufacturer to use turbo on a direct injected engine. Wonder how long that'll last?
I'm most interested in the 450-hp V-8 version because as it looks, it'll be the most powerful player in it's class(base engines of course). Audi has also revamped Quattro so that the cars will have a RWD-biased power development. Also the cars will have much shorter front over hangs as the platforms switches to a sort of Nissan-like front-midship engine design, meaning the engines will sit behind the axle line, for better handling and weight distribution.
As most of you can tell, I'm probably the biggest Audi nut on this forum. I believed Volkswagen/Audi last month when they said that they know that they've left North America out in the cold regarding the A8 and will rectify the situation this go round. They have to in order to stay competitive. In Europe, the A8 is often the first or second best selling car, so it's likely that they'll definetely advertise a lot more here. And Audi does have this uncanny ability to introduce the flagship in a model year when no other car in it's class is about to be released, hence the '09 release, just like '04.
Judging from my W-12, which is probably the best kept secret in the biz, Audi is not a joke. The company has to do a better here in North America with this car. The A3/A4/A6 and heck even the Q7 will sell themselves, but when dealing with a customer that's about to plop 70-80 large on a car, you must know what the customer is wanting in a car. The current A8 has it, but there has been a huge communications breakdown here that has inhibited Audi's share of the pot. Hopefully this will change soon.