High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#15819 of 24700 Re: Observations on the neverending LS pricing discussion [garyh1] by stevekilburn May 25, 2006 (7:42 pm)
Replying to: garyh1 (May 24, 2006 10:27 pm) Pricing debate is just the starting point. Eventually this discussion is about globalization of Lexus and its future evolution into a "premium HELM"
#15820 of 24700 LJ, thats a lie of epic proportions, when did I ask to price LS at S level by stevekilburn May 25, 2006 (7:46 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (May 25, 2006 7:25 am) Can you point even one post where I said LS should be priced head-to-head with S550. This is an outrage and I condemn it in strongest possible terms. When you look at the general atmosphere you have to go by MSRP and not any whims. Of course the final transaction will vary but thats not the point. The point is LS competing head-to-head on pricing with A8/7.
#15821 of 24700 diesel-hybrids and Audi LeMans by stevekilburn May 25, 2006 (7:51 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (May 25, 2006 2:33 pm) Well then why is Audi using diesel V12 for sebring and Le Mans? Is it not going to be migrated to Audi A8 in future? Am I missing something. I have been rooting for diesel hybrids ever since I joined Edmunds. Diesel-hybrids is the long term (20-30 yrs) solution. Replies to this message: reality2 (May 26, 2006 7:01 pm) blkhemi (May 27, 2006 5:59 am) garyh1 (May 27, 2006 9:06 am) and 13 more... reality2 (May 29, 2006 5:41 pm) and 1 more...
#15822 of 24700 diesel-hybrids and American Economy [cyclone4] by stevekilburn May 25, 2006 (7:52 pm)
Replying to: cyclone4 (May 25, 2006 8:39 am) Thanks for corrections, but whether its pulp, switch grass or sugarcane, the land use will be immense and its going to create HAVOC. Diesel-hybrids with 100 mpg is the way to go, and cafe standards should be raised to at least 50 mpg for cars and 48 mpg for trucks in the next 5 years in a gradual manner. Diesel and gas should be raised to 10$/gallon to protect America's future and to boost the economy, environment and living standards. Only Ferrari, which is Jesus' car of choice should be exempt.
#15823 of 24700 Re: Observations on the neverending LS pricing discussion [ljflx] by merc1 May 25, 2006 (9:29 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (May 25, 2006 7:25 am) I agree. Lexus is likely going to come within a bumper of doing what he is now saying they should do, especially the LS460L and A8L. Slow and careful growth is the Lexus/Toyota way and it has worked brilliantly much to the dismay of the nearly the entire auto industry so there is no need to go radical with pricing. Long money vs. short. I'm still reeling over the winner, not really Idol material IMO. I would have picket Katherine. What I really don't like is that the word was out that morning about Taylor winning, they cheapened the whole thing by basically letting the cat out of the bag. To me he didn't even look surprised. His reaction looked staged. I think someone will likely pick up Paris, Chris, Ace, Elliot and Katherine all to varying degrees of course. When Clive Davis was talking about who sold what I was surprised that last year's winner actually sold anything. She really wasn't that good, at least not then. The finale show was the best episode since the initial trial episodes. Toni Braxton and Elliot didn't make a good team though. He over sang her by a mile because of her sultry style. I agree the others will likely outshine Taylor over the long term. He is just too goofy for me to take seriously most of the time and he looks 10-15 years older than he really is, so he likely won't be marketed to the kids. Last, but not least I hope Paula gets some help during the off season. M Replies to this message: hpowders (May 26, 2006 4:41 am)
#15824 of 24700 Re: FORUM DISCUSSION [lopz] by merc1 May 25, 2006 (9:35 pm)
Replying to: lopz (May 25, 2006 10:34 am) Well the BMW "Z6" is in the infancy of wild speculation. We really don't know what BMW is testing under than M5 body. It could be the (also rumored) M5 CSL, a lightweight, higher hp version of the M5. Then again looking at the bulges it could be a roadster chassis under there. I've always thought BMW's high-end Coupes and Roadsters were special, being much more exclusive than similar models from Mercedes-Benz. Though that exclusivity wasn't by BMW's choosing. I'm likely the only person here that actually liked the old 850Ci/CSi. I liked the Z8 too. Both cars were stunning looking during their time IMO. It is however no secret that BMW envies/hates the Mercedes SL because of its market penetration at that price point and the fact that it has been such a long-running success. I've also read where they find the Aston-Martin DB9 to be interesting car too because of such demand for a 160K. The article I saw (I think Autoweek) said that BMW fingered the Aston due to it being much more like the type of car BMW would like to build at the price point even though the Bentley Continental GT is more popular, it drives like a boat in comparison or something like that. M
#15825 of 24700 Re: Diesel, ethanol over hybrids [blkhemi] by merc1 May 25, 2006 (9:42 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (May 25, 2006 2:33 pm) Merc: I read in Autocar last week that Mercedes is fiddling with the possibility of a S600 diesel. I wonder if this is the surprise that they've promised since it's release? DCX has reportedly given the green light to Chrysler to let their end of the business use the Bluetec 3.2L CDI. Good news indeed. I'm not sure. I just remember seeing some type of model introduction sheet for the W221 and it included a S600 CDI. I think I posted a copy of it in the Future Mercedes thread a while ago. I don't think we'll see a S350 this time around, but I said that back in 1999 and look what happened in 2006! I think this time though we'll see the S320 CDI take the entry-level postion, but the S model you left out is the hybrid. Mercedes has of course shown both a gas/electric hybrid and a diesel/electric hybrid, I think we'll get the gas/electric and Europe the diesel/electric. That would be brilliant IMO. M
#15826 of 24700 P Connection Update by designman May 26, 2006 (4:14 am)
VW will be supplying Porsche with painted bodies for Panamera. From Porsche President and CEO Wendelin Wiedeking: "We have decided in favour of the Hanover Plant because it is one of the most modern plants within the entire Volkswagen Group and is in a position to build the body of the car with the premium quality we require." Translation: Porsche just bought a nice chunk of stock in VW. Ferdinand Peich is Chairman of VWs Supervisory board, a member of Porsche’s Supervisory Board, and Pop Porsche’s grandson. Whaddya friggin’ expect? http://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutporsche/pressreleases/pag/?pool=international-de- - - &id=2006-05-19 http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/volkswagen_news/article_1758.shtml
#15827 of 24700 Re: Observations on the neverending LS pricing discussion [merc1] by hpowders May 26, 2006 (4:41 am)
Replying to: merc1 (May 25, 2006 9:29 pm) Oh my gawd! Do you see what the "re-sellers" want for tickets to the Idols tour concerts? Should be mostly HELM's in the parking lot, I reckon!
#15828 of 24700 Re: Clarkson's best and worst of '06 [lexusguy] by hpowders May 26, 2006 (4:44 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (May 25, 2006 6:14 pm) Since BMW made an extremely good showing with the incomparable M5 and M6, I am of course very ! Well, time to load the family in the ol' estate car; go to the bank; make a large withdrawal and fill 'er up with petrol.