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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#15797 of 24726 A busy day at the watering hole.......
May 24, 2006 (9:06 pm)
Designman and especially Tagman, thanks for the compliments!
hpowders - I'm literally in shock everytime I see this new Camry in SE trim, it really has a some swank to it. Dare I say that if I had a few HELM cars and wanted a relatively inexpensive and non-standout type of daily driver the Camry would make the short list with the new Passat. That is a very, very high compliment from me.
Steve - Have you ever written Lexus about your ideas? Seriously they will listen. I've written Mercedes many times over the last 15 years or so and I've almost always gotten a personal response, not just a form letter. Also, there is a S600 CDI (diesel) in the works for 2008 according to the initial buzz surrounding the new S-Class.
#15798 of 24726 Re: Handling [hpowders]
May 24, 2006 (9:44 pm)
All the reviews of the new Camry I have seen are positive about the car's improved handling.
Therefore, I don't believe it a stretch to predict the new LS will see improvement there too. Not a major deal but a significant step in the right direction.
Agree. Some reviewers have even called new Toyotas such as the V6 Rav4 "fun".
#15799 of 24726 Observations on the neverending LS pricing discussion
May 24, 2006 (10:27 pm)
1. Funny how everyone who believes Lexus should jump up the price of the '07 LS never bought one before, and the people who actually have bought one (or more) believe slow and steady increases are the way to go. As someone who bought a nicely equipped '05 LS (list $62,730) for about $57,000 cash, I am not interested in seeing a big jump, but would potentially tolerate a moderate increase. I imagine that Lexus would be more interested in the real world reaction of actual potential repeat-buyers whose business they don't want to lose, than in the musings of armchair theorists who want to talk about higher price=higher prestige, etc.
2. What is the price of a reasonably well-equipped 750iL or A8L versus the prices Len is predicting for a similarly equipped 460L? Is it really that much different? Or is this debate much ado about nothing?
#15800 of 24726 Re: Observations on the neverending LS pricing discussion [garyh1]
May 25, 2006 (3:25 am)
Likely much ado about nothing if the prices LJ gave hold up. There is no reason to think they won't as they seem logical to me for a car as upgraded as the LS460 is compared to the LS430.
I think LS460L prices will likely match the A8L and come very close to the 750Li.
#15801 of 24726 Re: Handling [lexusguy]
May 25, 2006 (5:10 am)
I realize this is heresy around here, but the reviews of the 2007 Camry SE 6 have been so positive, I plan on driving one also.
C&D, in a review of the SE 6, voiced the usual complaint it has with T/L, that the electronic nannies can't be turned off, but admitted that most folks wouldn't be tossing the car around like they do anyway.
If only the new LS was offered in a SERIOUS SE package!
#15802 of 24726 Re: Observations on the neverending LS pricing discussion [merc1]
May 25, 2006 (7:25 am)
"Likely much ado about nothing if the prices LJ gave hold up. There is no reason to think they won't as they seem logical to me for a car as upgraded as the LS460 is compared to the LS430.
I think LS460L prices will likely match the A8L and come very close to the 750Li"
Well that's the joke here Merc. Steve modified his argument at some point from the LS being priced at S levels to now being priced at A8 and 750LI levels. The initial and only real argument here was about the former and never the latter. The prices I was quoted have shown that the latter is where the car will be pegged. So Steve's rants are there simply for the point of ranting. We've shown agreement on price here - for a long time now - and he doesn't even seem to realize it. One can never go purely by MSRP anyway as one mfr. may have items standard that others have as options. But Steve doesn't ever take this into consideration.
IDOL - what's your take? Who really becomes the biggest star? All 5 finalists can be stars and I personally thought Taylor was the weakest of the 5. He won on his (Seinfeld's) Elaine-like dancing and personality. My bet is Chris gets into a band and that Paris, Katherine and Elliot outshine Taylor long-term.
#15803 of 24726 A Siegfried Idyll
May 25, 2006 (7:54 am)
Lisa Tucker had more charisma and personality than any of them, IMO.
#15804 of 24726 Re: Observations on the neverending LS pricing discussion [ljflx]
May 25, 2006 (7:54 am)
lj - meeting over . . . made some significant changes for now . . . here's the skinny . . . 40% US equities, 15% International equities, 25% fixed instruments, 20% pure sideline-ready cash.
If market drops significantly, I'll be BUYING equities, not selling.
Keeping both eyes on the Fed, and interestingly, one eye on the bird flu situation.
Looking at Wal-Mart again. Microsoft remains a long-term hold.
How 'bout you?
#15805 of 24726 A Great Day For America!
May 25, 2006 (8:10 am)
Lay and Skilling guilty on combined 24 counts.
Hope they get the max. for each count.
My only regret is that these guys aren't 25 years younger.
Send 'em to Colorado with Moussari.
#15806 of 24726 Re: ON DIESEL, hybrids and ethanol [stevekilburn]
May 25, 2006 (8:39 am)
Hi guys! I have not been visiting this forum very much at all until the past several days. I see now that this is where the action is (Wow!).
Steve, you state on your post from yesterday that "Brazil has has destroyed its ecological balance by switching to ethanol and large scale sugar cane farming. I just saw a documentary on PBS on how Brazil destroyed the Amazon."
You are implying here that the Amazon has been getting destroyed due to sugar cane farming. That is not correct. The Amazon destruction has zero to do with sugar cane farming. Sugar cane is grown is Sao Paulo State and also to the north of Bahia State near the Coast. These areas are far from the Amazon. The Amazon has been getting eroded in order to make more room for soybean farming and not sugar cane.
Also, you state that we will need to clear more land here in the U.S. to increase corn acreage astronomically in order to make all the ethanol that we would need from corn. There is one problem with this statement. Who says that 10-15 years from now our ethanol will be coming from corn? We can make ethanol out of a lot of other products: switch grass, wood pulp, sugar cane, etc., etc.