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24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: ljflx (May 24, 2006 2:48 pm) Still off-topic... But its the fundamentals I am talking about... Call it the underpinnings of this economy - fiscal and monetary policies. Fiscally, we are in a mess... Monetary-wise, these interest rate hikes are just masking a deeper trouble from our fiscal mess... Think how our debt ceiling is now at $10 Trillion, our total debts have doubled in 5 years, our currency devalued by as much as 40% against some other currencies, oil factor, and interest rates ? All bad combinations.... About the only place worth investing in is defense (doh !), service, and energy (doh !). Many of these stocks are already priced in with high expectations. I am going to CASH, and that always works. At least if things go south, you can jump in and buy them cheap... OK, I am done pontificating on the economy... Back to talking about HELM... |
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Please set these guys back on the road to HELM. Also, let them know they can't time the market, that the market has been up historically 70% of the time, and they should be thinking 10-20 years, not 10-20 minutes! Please let them know that when stock market panic has infiltrated the HELM thread, people like me will see this pessimism as an important buying opportunity in the making. Thanks for your help! |
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Replying to: tagman (May 24, 2006 3:00 pm) Your modesty is both touching and classy. You both share that honor on this best of Edmunds' threads, IMO! 
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I see in the very near future diesel and ethanol technology overtaking the hybrid fad. It makes commom sense: Diesel and ethanol technology are easier/faster to move to market, whereas hybrids take 2-4 years to develop(hence the total rebuild of HSD for the upcoming LS600hL and the differentiation of the Civic v. Accord IMA). Diesel technology is so readliy available that it seems unrealistic to think that diesel will not make a strong comeback in States. I've been in Europe for the last 2 1/2 weeks and I drove a Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.2L CDI around. My first interaction with the car was it that it was so silent and resolute that I often had to wonder whether the car was turned on. I secondly wonder why we can't buy this powertrain( oops, sorry E320 CDI) in the states as it seemed even punchier than my HEMI-equipped Commander. It was a very refined and responsive powertrain and I'd be the first to buy them. We also have a very reliable alternative fuel source that it is readily available: Ethanol. Corn grows like grass here in America, and I'm still in loops on trying to figure out why a country like Brazil can become completely fuel self-sufficient and we can't??
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Replying to: drfill (May 24, 2006 5:01 am) It seems like the problem confronting Tagman, syswei, hpowders and especially LJ is a generation gap crises. I believe they or at least some of them are in their 50s and 60s or at the very least wise but not young at heart. These are old-school guys from the early boomer gen. or even earlier. They are able to understand what we are telling them but their experience and memories are revolting in their minds. In other words they are suffering from the 1992 mentality. Its 2006 now and its time for LS 460 to compete with S550 with prices matching A8/7 +/- $1-2K. When I was in high-school LS was JUST introduced as were Acura and Infiniti so I do not have that heavy burden in my heart that Japan is all about cut-rate tin-boxes and germany is about performance/Luxury. Besides, the popular discourse used to be how Japan's turbocharged growth will eat us for Lunch!
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Replying to: sv7887 (May 24, 2006 9:24 am) LS should be priced against A8/7 NOT S-class. Got it? There are no pure Objective and Subjective choices. Any attempt to make a purely objective decision will inevitably fail. |
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Just because I have not followed the rules a couple of times does not mean I should not speak up. Rules are rules. Guys this is not the board for FED and Honda and Ford and Mustang. Please take your wisdom to the appropriate board.
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Diesel: I agree 100% with Lj, Tagman and everybody else on this one. Diesel Rocks and it will return to US in a big way, especially with that Iranian Monster out of control. Hybrids: Its not a mature technology like diesel, so these far flung assessments about Hybrids are foolish. Moreover, you have to compare diesel with a diesel-hybrid not Gas-hybrid. ETHANOL: It seems like a huge non-starter. brazil has extensively destroyed its ecological balance by switching to ethanol and large scale sugar-cane farming. Idiots! I just saw a documentary on PBS on how brazil destroyed amazon, (there was other stuff on Africa as well but not relevant here) Our market is 17 MILLION VEHICLES and brazil is 1 million only. THINK ABOUT IT! how much corn we will need. Outrageous level of farming will be needed which will dramatically destroy the quality of soil and damage the environment forever. Are you prepared for a Havoc? Then go ahead do ethanol. For HELMs I personally believe diesel and diesel-hybrids will be the best. Audi is reportedly making a diesel V12 for next A8, Guys grab those napkins before the drool falls on your keyboards! |
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Yup, Lexus was making ad history. Infiniti was very busy confounding the public with it's message. And Acura was busy crafting it's "Fly under the German radar" market strategy. The more things change...... Well, also back then, there was something worth watching on TV. While we are all spreading the love, high and deep, like fertilizer, I would also like to anoint Merc as the one true Sin-Sai, the Sho-nuff, the Don, if you will, of all posters, not posers, or poseurs. Thank you. DrFill
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Replying to: stevekilburn (May 24, 2006 6:08 pm) I hope you can find the time one day next weekend to visit Tagman, Syswie, LJ and me at the Edmund's Home For Senile Posters. If you insist on bringing something, make it a Dagwood comic book. Nothing too complicated for us handicapped 50 and 60 year olds, okay? Thanks, Steve for your understanding. |
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