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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#15519 of 24723 Re: Brother Raccoon [benzster]
May 11, 2006 (11:34 am)
A few 07' model questions:
1. Any price increase on the E-Class for 07'?
2. In the new issue of Star there is a article about the diesels in which they confirm that a S320 will be added to the U.S. lineup early next year, any info as to whether it will be a LWB or SWB model?
Unfortunately it implies that Mercedes is still wrangling with the EPA on how to sell these cars in those remaining 5 states so the ones coming this fall and early next year are 45 state only.
3. The S65 AMG's price please?????
4. Why oh why aren't the M and R getting the new V8s for 2007 when every other Mercedes is?
Just a few questions sir....
#15520 of 24723 Re: Brother Raccoon [merc1]
May 11, 2006 (12:20 pm)
I haven't read anything on any price increases on the E-Class, despite the mild refreshening and the use of the 5.5L V-8 in the E550. The E63 is said to increase only nominally so. No biggie for arguably my favorite mid-size luxury, the super E55/upcoming E63(used to be the RS 6 before Audi pulled the plug on it, but the Euro's are still enjoying the M5 beating beast on the new A6 platform). Can't wait to drive the car as the E55 scared the living daylights out of me.(Hope they've dialed down ESP and dialed UP ABC and reworked Airmatic and brakes, like the CLS's system)
As for the diesels, I've talked with my Jeep rep and he has confirmed to me that they will sell a variant of the Bluetec in the JGC and Commander, and possibly the Liberty, for the '08 model year. And they will get MB's 7-Gtronic tranny as the new engine is "supposedly" built around it, unlike that of the outgoing 3.2 CDI, which remains with MB's 5-speed Auto. So what does this means for MB? Judging from past marketing strategies, I don't think they'll let the Jeep come to market before the MB's are released. Maybe in unison, but not before. And I also here that Audi will encroach on the growing NA diesel market with release of their super clean(same technology as used on Bluetec, super-high capacity particulate and soot trap with only water vapor to exit the exhaust pipe) 3.0L V-6 TD that the Europeans have been boasting about since it's inception in '04. Hopefully the both of them will stick to the game plan.
As to the S65's pricing, I read in Autocar that the S65 won't stray far from it's '06 pricing, meaning about 170k. Then I heard to expect a price of about 173-175k, not too far off the mark. The new S-Class' price hasn't increased drastically, so I don't think the car would be priced to far off the mark. The S63 isn't that far off the S55's mark. The only S to be priced drastically higher(so to speak) is the S600, but that's because they wanted the flagship model to have every possible option standard, except of course the eventual interior upgrades.
I wondered too why the M and R aren't getting the new V8's for '07. The only new V-8 going in the M is the 6.2L for the ML63. But I've heard talks of the 4.7L out of the GL to be offered in the ML, to be priced 3-4 grand less than the bigger V-8. We'll see.
#15521 of 24723 Re: BlkHemi [drfilll]
May 11, 2006 (12:24 pm)
With Houston being the richest city in the Oil State, and one of the richest cities in the U.S. and 4th biggest city in the nation, it only makes since that there will be some pretty nice HELM's there, even on the Po'Side(lol).
#15522 of 24723 Re: Brother Raccoon [blkhemi]
May 11, 2006 (3:26 pm)
I'm not sure if the S65 will remain in the 170's Autoweek is saying 200K...gulp! I'd bet on 185-190K.
It is sort of a letdown to find out that the Bluetecs won't go on sale until the 2008 model year, but there is a S320 on board for sometime next year. That will be real interesting to see how it does.
There are so many new and/or facelifted MB products hitting the market in the latter half of this year its getting hard to keep track: E550, E63, CLS550, CLS63, ML63, S65, ML320, R320, E320, CLK63, CLK550 and a few more...gee whiz.
They've said all along that they're going to share the bluetec technology so I'm not surprised that Jeep will be getting a version though I remember seeing a Bluetec Grand Cherokee at Detroit, not the Commander, but either or doesn't really matter I guess.
I don't understand what Audi is going to do yet. I don't see the point of both a hybrid Q7 and a diesel version. One of them won't make the cut for the U.S. market IMO.
#15523 of 24723 Re: Brother Raccoon [merc1]
May 11, 2006 (4:54 pm)
"I don't understand what Audi is going to do yet......"
You and I both. Prior to the release of the Q7 on our shores, Audi said that the Q7 would be available in the following sequence: the 4.2 V-8, followed in the fall by the 3.6L V-6, and then a V-10 " 50 state compliant-clean" TDI. Now they say that the 5.0L V-10 will be in short supply because the Toureag will take most of the orders and with Porsche contemplating a TDI/hybrid model of the hot Cayenne(no pun intended ), so hence the release of the less torquey("only 395lb-ft") V-6 version, already on sale in Euro markets, and elsewhere. I don't see this engine making the NA cut either to satisfy we power hunger Americans. It's likely that the Audi will be paired with the V-10 TDI because the hybrid versions are years off because of development/production delays. It's likely the hybrids won't get here until the new for '09 A8 gets here to compete head-on with the LS600hL if Lexus holds true to what the car will be, V-8/hybrid/AWD technology.
BTW, I don't know if you knew or not, but VW/Audi and MB execs met with the EPA and DOT to discuss and finalize the approval on the Bluetec and TDI engines. My guest is they had to assure them that these engines are what they say they are. But surely the agencies will conduct in-house testing to certify they are. Funny how they can inprove emissions tests, which is well needed, but they can't improve or invent new ways of measuring fuel economy. Oh and the old CAFE increases are just a cute way of getting out of it. Why? Why? Why?
$200k FOR AN S65 AMG????? WHAT????? Can we all say Flying Spur, which is faster at the same price. To go from 170 to 200k is flat out ridiculous. Very dangerous territory. And I was crying over the 160k that I laid out for my S65. Price increase of 30-fold, huh? So the S63 is looking even better know.
#15524 of 24723 Re: Brother Raccoon [blkhemi]
May 11, 2006 (6:53 pm)
$200k FOR AN S65 AMG????? WHAT?????
Perhaps someone has started listening to Steve's pricing advice...but it isn't Lexus.
#15525 of 24723 Re: Brother Raccoon [syswei]
May 11, 2006 (7:45 pm)
#15526 of 24723 Re: Brother Raccoon [syswei]
May 11, 2006 (9:27 pm)
Let's hope not. I wouldn't think a company that's been around 120 years would charge for a car what "feels" right.
170k isn't enough. 200k sounds better.(lol)
#15527 of 24723 Re: Brother Raccoon [blkhemi]
May 11, 2006 (9:34 pm)
$200k FOR AN S65 AMG????? WHAT????? Can we all say Flying Spur, which is faster at the same price. To go from 170 to 200k is flat out ridiculous. Very dangerous territory. And I was crying over the 160k that I laid out for my S65. Price increase of 30-fold, huh? So the S63 is looking even better know
Well that was just an estimate that Autoweek gave, nothing official yet. The Bentley may have a higher top speed, but the Benz will smoke it off the line and around the curves. Also, the Benz has the option of being de-limited as far as top speed goes.
#15528 of 24723 S63 v S65
May 11, 2006 (11:28 pm)
Excuse my ignorance, Merc1 or blkhemi, but what other difference exists b/w the naturally aspirated S63 and the turbo-charged S65 ?