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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#15466 of 24726 Re: wild speculations and examples [lexusguy]
May 07, 2006 (8:56 pm)
A few questions about CR. Do they only survey their subscribers or do they survey owners regardless of whether or not they are CR subscribers? I'm thinking that with all the negative reports about Mercedes why would anyone who subscribes to CR even buy one, wouldn't their survey pool dry up if Mercedes so bad?
I glanced at the April issue a while back and it looked like the only Mercedes even approaching decent reliability is 2005+ SLK??
#15467 of 24726 Re: wild speculations and examples [blkhemi]
May 07, 2006 (9:01 pm)
I caught your post on the S-Class board, so you're looking to replace your belove A8 W12 already?? Why so soon if I my ask?
The S63 AMG won't have the naturally aspirated version of the new AMG 6.2L V8, but a turbo version with around 570hp.
If they went with the n/a version the S63 would actually be slower than the previous S55 AMG. The 6.2L V8 only has a few more hp (493 vs. 515), but a lot less torque than the old 5.5L SC V8 at 465lb vs 516lb-ft. The turbo version of the new 6.2L V8 will have about 620lb-ft of torque. One of BMW execs called the S63 a "firebreather" when asked as to whether or not they would build an M7.
I'm looking for a debut at either Detroit 2007 or possibly even Paris in Sept, either way it will land here this time next year.
#15468 of 24726 New Quantum Price REDUCTION Strategy
May 07, 2006 (9:13 pm)
According to my Analysis, BMW makes "quantum leaps" in pricing when they introduce next generation of vehicles. And during model years they go for incremental increases.
Your analysis? Oh sure.
Historically, a "next generation" vehicle is introduced after the current life cycle or model cycle is complete. Sometimes there is a mid cycle change or facelift or slight modifications, updates, and incremental improvements and refinements.
As a new generation vehicle is released, the opportunity arises for the new price to increase, decrease or stay the same. This can be a very deliberate and strategic decision in some circumstances.
In any event, there are historical circumstances when the life cycle of a model and all of its incremental price increases resulted in a final price that is just too darned high for the replacement. In these cases the next generation car therefore becomes the perfect time to introduce the "new and improved" model at a "new lower price".
By "resetting", that is reducing, the price at this opportunity, the price can then incrementally increase once again year after year. Without this occasional "reset", prices would never come back in line as they should, and they could ultimately escalate wildly without limitations.
I am not suggesting that Lexus should reduce their prices, but I am suggesting that you recognize that price reductions and/or constraints generally INCREASE market share.
Theoretically, the GLOBAL (as you put it) automobile market is in a position to afford MORE cars at MODERATE prices than at HIGH prices. From a business standpoint, it makes sense to INCREASE sales. So, as the global demographics indicate, the volume of automobile sales will generally and proportionally INCREASE with a DECREASE in price structure. This is just a general and basic rule of global economics.
Therefore, to take your argument about quantum price change a little further, it is logical to extrapolate that the best incentive for increased sales is to offer a quantum price REDUCTION! This will then increase the sales volume even further.
That being said, it could be argued that it makes MORE sense to campaign for a quantum price REDUCTION of the LS. Just think how many more they would sell!!!
#15469 of 24726 Re: Quantum price reduction strategy [tagman]
May 07, 2006 (9:21 pm)
That issue has come down to this.
#15470 of 24726 Re: Quantum price reduction strategy [merc1]
May 07, 2006 (9:26 pm)
#15472 of 24726 Re: LS 460 pricing: quantum leap and incremental increase, new deal [garyh1 [stevekilburn]
May 07, 2006 (10:13 pm)
So you want to call me a looney who lacks cogent thinking and gets lampooned left and right.
I really didn't say either of those first two things; all I said was that you were "writing like a looney" and if you made your arguments more cogently, other people might agree with you more.
Here are a couple of lines from your post that I was reacting to:
Well done Ljflx, you star will shine forever.
Such lollipop shareholders will be immediately escorted out by security gorillas.
Please read my post again and I think you will see that I was trying to support you, not insult you.
#15473 of 24726 Re: Brief peek at the upcoming Porsche Panamera [tagman]
May 07, 2006 (10:18 pm)
Very nice! But what is the back seat like? Those rear doors look pretty small. Maybe it will make the back of the CLS look roomy?
#15474 of 24726 Re: Brief peek at the upcoming Porsche Panamera [garyh1]
May 07, 2006 (10:25 pm)
Maybe it will make the back of the CLS look roomy?
So does a Mini Cooper. CLS rear room is pitiful, IMO.
Final Panamera is still years away. Reasonable room would be OK. Cramped, and I would pass.
gary - forget the argument with steve . . . merc's link says it best.
#15475 of 24726 Re: wild speculations and examples [merc1]
May 08, 2006 (5:58 am)
CR only surveys subscribers of the mag or website. There is no data for either the '05 S-class or BMW 7, so perhaps CR subscribers did stop buying them.