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24645 messages, Last post on Aug 26, 2008 at 5:40 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: garyh1 (May 07, 2006 1:28 pm) You think I am doing this just to "GRAB ATTENTION". Well I dont get it! I have been saying all along that it does not behove Lexus to under-cut competitors prices, when their products are second to none. What is so lunatic in that? According to my Analysis, BMW makes "quantum leaps" in pricing when they introduce next generation of vehicles. And during model years they go for incremental increases. Lexus has been charging mid 50K prices since 1995, and its time to move on. The quality and content gap has been sharply decreasing b/w LS and competitors, but price gap is rather increasing. I plotted all te price data since 1992 so I know. During 1999-2001 period LS sold quite well and they reduced price advantage compared to 7-series from 25% to 16%, but then something happened and the gap increased to 25% again!!!
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Replying to: lexusguy (May 07, 2006 2:31 pm) I glanced at the April issue a while back and it looked like the only Mercedes even approaching decent reliability is 2005+ SLK?? M
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Replying to: blkhemi (May 07, 2006 4:53 pm) The S63 AMG won't have the naturally aspirated version of the new AMG 6.2L V8, but a turbo version with around 570hp. If they went with the n/a version the S63 would actually be slower than the previous S55 AMG. The 6.2L V8 only has a few more hp (493 vs. 515), but a lot less torque than the old 5.5L SC V8 at 465lb vs 516lb-ft. The turbo version of the new 6.2L V8 will have about 620lb-ft of torque. One of BMW execs called the S63 a "firebreather" when asked as to whether or not they would build an M7. I'm looking for a debut at either Detroit 2007 or possibly even Paris in Sept, either way it will land here this time next year. M
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According to my Analysis, BMW makes "quantum leaps" in pricing when they introduce next generation of vehicles. And during model years they go for incremental increases. Your analysis? Oh sure. Historically, a "next generation" vehicle is introduced after the current life cycle or model cycle is complete. Sometimes there is a mid cycle change or facelift or slight modifications, updates, and incremental improvements and refinements. As a new generation vehicle is released, the opportunity arises for the new price to increase, decrease or stay the same. This can be a very deliberate and strategic decision in some circumstances. In any event, there are historical circumstances when the life cycle of a model and all of its incremental price increases resulted in a final price that is just too darned high for the replacement. In these cases the next generation car therefore becomes the perfect time to introduce the "new and improved" model at a "new lower price". By "resetting", that is reducing, the price at this opportunity, the price can then incrementally increase once again year after year. Without this occasional "reset", prices would never come back in line as they should, and they could ultimately escalate wildly without limitations. I am not suggesting that Lexus should reduce their prices, but I am suggesting that you recognize that price reductions and/or constraints generally INCREASE market share. Theoretically, the GLOBAL (as you put it) automobile market is in a position to afford MORE cars at MODERATE prices than at HIGH prices. From a business standpoint, it makes sense to INCREASE sales. So, as the global demographics indicate, the volume of automobile sales will generally and proportionally INCREASE with a DECREASE in price structure. This is just a general and basic rule of global economics. Therefore, to take your argument about quantum price change a little further, it is logical to extrapolate that the best incentive for increased sales is to offer a quantum price REDUCTION! This will then increase the sales volume even further. That being said, it could be argued that it makes MORE sense to campaign for a quantum price REDUCTION of the LS. Just think how many more they would sell!!!  TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (May 07, 2006 10:13 pm) M
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I'm sure you've seen this before, but I couldn't figure out how to directly post the photo, so I've placed the link. http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoID/6060407.003/pageview/photo/- photo/Mini1/page/1/country/gcf/porsche/first-porsche-panamera-spy-photos Cookie Monster says, "Me love cookies". TagMan says, "Me love Panamera".
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Replying to: stevekilburn (May 07, 2006 8:04 pm) I really didn't say either of those first two things; all I said was that you were "writing like a looney" and if you made your arguments more cogently, other people might agree with you more. Here are a couple of lines from your post that I was reacting to: Well done Ljflx, you star will shine forever. Such lollipop shareholders will be immediately escorted out by security gorillas. Please read my post again and I think you will see that I was trying to support you, not insult you. |
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Replying to: tagman (May 07, 2006 10:41 pm)
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