High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#15435 of 24700 Re: wild speculations and examples [lexusguy] by stevekilburn May 06, 2006 (3:09 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (May 06, 2006 3:29 am) LS has beaten european helms in every measure except driving dynamics and heritage. In fact in heritage, only mercedes has some kind of distinct superiority. A8 was introduced in 1994 (1997 in North America) and 7-series came about in 1978.
#15436 of 24700 LS460 vs 750I room? by yak54 May 06, 2006 (3:10 pm)
Saw the Ls460 in ATL on Friday and was not impressed with the front seat room, I like the Bmw 750i for room and performance. I was going to go with the LS for quality reasons, but I am a big guy. The Ls460 is smaller up front than the current Ls. Thinking about getting my deposit back and going for the 750i sport package I am very comfortable in that car. What do you think? Replies to this message: hpowders (May 06, 2006 3:25 pm) garyh1 (May 06, 2006 3:37 pm) hpowders (May 06, 2006 3:48 pm)
#15437 of 24700 Lexus profits and LS by stevekilburn May 06, 2006 (3:14 pm)
Replying to: manegi (May 06, 2006 3:30 am) I never questioned profits and share price and market value. My argument is not centered on profits, but a paradigm shift in essence of LS. The transition from "value HELM" to "premium HELM" is about a paradigm shift, a transformation into a new era, and this is the year to do it. New LS 460 will be able to justify quantum leap in price increases in line with A8 and 7. In fact lexus must not sleep on its success, but watch out for complacence and overconfidence. Just because profits and shares are sky high today does not mean we should go to bed.
#15438 of 24700 Re: tirade and business savvy [hpowders] by stevekilburn May 06, 2006 (3:17 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (May 06, 2006 5:31 am) Business model must evolve with time. Times are changing and business should transform itself to reflect those changes. "Comparable to S": I never said that. You should read my post MORE CAREFULLY. I said bring price in line with A8 and 750i, in 70-72K range. Thereby still having more than 10,000$ price advantage over S550.
#15439 of 24700 Re: wild speculations and examples [blkhemi] by stevekilburn May 06, 2006 (3:21 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (May 06, 2006 5:37 am) There will always be exceptions on both sides so dont worry too much about these incongruities. Look at the big picture and you will realize the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Remember?
#15440 of 24700 Re: LS460 vs 750I room? [yak54] by hpowders May 06, 2006 (3:25 pm)
Replying to: yak54 (May 06, 2006 3:10 pm) Really sorry to hear that. I am 6'2" and am looking forward to driving the LS 460 in the Fall. Sometimes you really have to spend a lot of time adjusting the seat to get it right-you just can't do it in a few minutes. i suggest when the car comes out, spend an hour or so at the dealer's adjusting the seat in the showroom vehicle. You may change your mind. I spent a lot of time adjusting my 545's comfort seat until I got it right. I'm sure there is a combination of settings in the Lexus which would work for you given the time to experiment and find it.
#15441 of 24700 Re: "would have" and "could have" [garyh1] by stevekilburn May 06, 2006 (3:30 pm)
Replying to: garyh1 (May 06, 2006 6:26 am) Gary please dont get upset. We are all having fun here and you should have a coffee and a muffin to lighten you up. I am not Jack Welch and you are not stupid. Lets move on to HELMs. Regarding focus groups and research, yes it can provide some information, but we are talking about a new era and the next rung of HELM leadership. Times have changed and the principles of "value" are good for Toyota, but LS should move in a different zone.
#15442 of 24700 Re: LS460 vs 750I room? [yak54] by garyh1 May 06, 2006 (3:37 pm)
Replying to: yak54 (May 06, 2006 3:10 pm) Saw the Ls460 in ATL on Friday and was not impressed with the front seat room, I like the Bmw 750i for room and performance. I was going to go with the LS for quality reasons, but I am a big guy. The Ls460 is smaller up front than the current Ls. Thinking about getting my deposit back and going for the 750i sport package I am very comfortable in that car. What do you think? I haven't even seen let alone sat in the LS460, but in the current LS430, if the top cushion of the seat is set forward, the car can seem small for a big guy without any indication of the reason why. The forward positioning of seat cushion is not obvious and could have been done by a previous occupant who was just playing with the seat controls. You might want to check this out very carefully before you make a decision on just that assumption. I saw the same thing happen to my 6'5" cousin (who owns an Avalon); he got in my LS430, moved the whole seat all the way back, and said he still couldn't fit in it. Then I slid back the seat cushion, and lo and behold he was fine. Of course, the BMW 750 is a nice car, too. And there will be the option of the LS460L, which might fit you better. Replies to this message: hpowders (May 06, 2006 3:48 pm)
#15443 of 24700 Re: LS 460 pricing: quantum leap and incremental increase, new deal [stevekilburn] by hpowders May 06, 2006 (3:41 pm)
Replying to: stevekilburn (May 06, 2006 2:59 pm) "I am sure when Lexus is educated properly..." We should all be so properly educated as the brilliant folks creating and running the dynamic Lexus business model in real time-one of the greatest success stories in the history of world business and it just keeps getting better.
#15444 of 24700 Re: LS460 vs 750I room? [garyh1] by hpowders May 06, 2006 (3:48 pm)
Replying to: garyh1 (May 06, 2006 3:37 pm) Exactly how I set my 545 seat. I found that moving the top cushion back actually gave me more legroom. You have to spend the time in the showroom to experiment with the seat. Funny, when I test drove a GS 10 months ago, the seat was so poorly adjusted, when I pressed the start button, the steering wheel began moving up from a very low position and almost converted me from a baritone to a soprano, if you catch my drift. Scary!!